Hot/Cold Reversed

Discussion in 'Shower & bathtub Forum & Blog' started by Johnny Drama, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. Johnny Drama

    Johnny Drama New Member

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    Hello all,

    I've been doing a bathroom remodel and I only planned on re-tiling the walls and not touching the plumbing, but while I've got the walls off the studs I figured it might be a good time to deal with a plumbing issue.

    The shower/bath in one of my bathrooms has the hot and cold reversed. The plumbing was put in 1998 when the place was built, so there the valve is not pressure or hydrostatic. The feeder lines appear to be some kind of plastic.

    I know with the newer valves all you need to do is pull the valve control out and then flip it to reverse the hot/cold feed. Do you think that is possible with the older valve located in my shower? If not, what is the best way to fix the issue? Switch the feeder lines? Put in a new control valve?

    Thanks
  2. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    What kind of valve is it?
  3. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    If the hot and cold can be reversed, the way to do it is specific to each make and model. Some do not even require removing the module, (in fact if you do remove it and rotate it, you have the same problem as when you started), and some require a "reversing ball". So we would have to know which faucet you are referring to.
  4. Johnny Drama

    Johnny Drama New Member

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    Wow...I have no idea who made the valve. It's about 20 years old. If I post a picture will that help?
  5. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    That is the only thing that might help.
  6. Johnny Drama

    Johnny Drama New Member

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    Hopefully this will help...

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  7. krow

    krow Plumber

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    That is a moen faucet,

    You can simply grab the centre stem and give it half a turn. (no need to remove the cartridge or shut the water off), That will have the hot and cold water in the right positions. Even if the tubing (hot/cold) are reversed in the wall.
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    As stated, just rotate the handle stem halfway around. If you remove the core and rotate it you will still have reversed water. I once had to drive 40 miles to rotate it for a customer who insisted on removing and rotating the core, even when I tried to give him specific directions over the phone. Then he questioned the fee for 30 seconds of work.
  9. Redwood

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    While you have that wall open are you considering doing anything with those polybutylene pipes?
  10. Johnny Drama

    Johnny Drama New Member

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    Guys,

    Thanks for the help. Pretty awesome that you can take a look at that beat up valve and tell me who mfg it and what to do to correct it! You rock!

    What's the best way to go about rotating the stem without rotating the entire core?

    I hadn't planned on doing anything with the feeder lines, as I'm just redoing the shower walls so I can get the place ready to sell. I don't want to touch the plumbing because I think the code says once I make any changes I'll have to update the valve to a thermostatic or pressure static valve, which of course equals more $$$$.

    Why do you ask? If there is a good reason to do it, I will.
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2008
  11. Redwood

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    The center part where the handle attaches just turn that 180 degrees.

    Polybutylene pipes (the grey tubing) is bad news and they probably will want some $$$$ knocked off the price of the house when it sells.
  12. hj

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    You can either rotate it with your fingers, a pair of pliers, or the handle before you install the chrome stop tube.
  13. Johnny Drama

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    Easy enough. I'll let you know how it works out.

    I don't think I can replace the gray tubing. It's a condo and the tubes come up from the floor, which is some type of cement substrate that appears to have been poured around the tubes...and I'm sure the person below doesn't want me to be chipping away at it.
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