Holmes On Homes Question

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  1. shacko

    shacko Master Plumber-Gas Fitter

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    Been watching some Holmes on Homes shows lately and seen what is a no-no in the states; since I don't know Canadian plumbing code I don't know if its a violation or not.

    Mikes plumber ripping out the original plumbing in the kitchen sink talking about what a abortion it was, (he was right), when he hooked up the new pipes he ran a straight line from the dishwasher on two different sinks and tied it into sink drain line without a high loop or air gap.

    Another of Mikes plumbers heated hard copper to make an offset to hook up a shower diverter.

    The states will not allow either arraignment.

    Anybody know if its allowed in Canada?:confused:
  2. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    Well now depending on where you are they just might. Most dishwashers have the high loop already installed on the unit itself nowadays so if you are in a place that allows high loop and does not require an air gap then if you show the inspector the high loop on the dishwasher you can probably get away with it. As for heating and bending type L copper, as far as I can tell there is nothing in the IPC nor the UPC that does not allow that to be done.
  3. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    If the dishwasher does not have a high loop, then water from the sink will flow back to the dishwasher.
    I've seen that in fairly new dishwashers. You can get pretty murky water in the bottom of the dishwasher.
    So is it wrong to not go with an air gap or high loop? Yes. Plumbing code requires it.

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  4. shacko

    shacko Master Plumber-Gas Fitter

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    Tom Sawyer:

    I'm trying to find out if Canada allows it.

    2009 UPC Requires an air gap, unless they have changed they want them reguardless of the dishwasher manufactors recomendations

    Heating copper to bend it has been a no-no as long as I been in the trade, if you want to bend it you suppose to use soft tubing; using heat contaminates the inside of the tube.
  5. shacko

    shacko Master Plumber-Gas Fitter

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    Terry:

    I know you are a fan of Holmes on Homes, but I'm trying to find out if CANADA code allows the three questionable hook-ups I seen lately on the show, I'm sure that most U.S codes will not allow them :confused:
  6. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    Agreed, but find it in the code book
  7. mikeplummer

    mikeplummer Plumber

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    no requirement in our code for high loop, as mentioned most dishwashers have this right at them. i always bring the dishwasher drain through the top of cabinet in sink compartment and hook into y before trap.
    also no need for air gap in our code.
    our code does state that solid temper copper tubing is not to be bent
  8. shacko

    shacko Master Plumber-Gas Fitter

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    Thats what I was asking, the usual CANADIAN hook-up, thanks.
  9. ballvalve

    ballvalve General Engineering Contractor

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    Testosterone case Holmes tears out a lot of good stuff, and it makes me sick to see the glee with which all this useable wood and pipe and recyclables get tossed in a bin. "UNACCEPTABLE" is my bellow to Homer Holmes!
  10. Chad Schloss

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    He recycles things from what i've read about. who really cares if it does end up in a land fill anyways? you need to stop the shady people who install that garbage and then you will stop the excess waste in your precious landfills.. mike is OK in my book.
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