High End Kitchen Faucet Advice

Discussion in 'Plumbing Forum, Professional & DIY Advice, Tips & ' started by tkohn, Feb 15, 2008.

  1. tkohn

    tkohn New Member

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    Hi All,

    I have been lurking around this forum for a few weeks and have found tons of great advice, thank you.

    I am getting a new pull-down kitchen faucet and am kinda torn between 2 models, the Delta Allora (989-SS) and Moen Showhouse Woodmere (S728SL). The Delta has a magnet that keeps the spout in place while the Moen uses a standard friction fitting, I do like the appearence of the Moen slightly better though...

    Question - Anyone have any first hand knowledge or experience with either faucet?

    Thanks!
  2. Delta Is Better

    get the delta.....

    theirs is simply much easier to repair
    and it last longer too
  3. krow

    krow Plumber

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    That is a matter of opinion. ..

    In my area, I find the moen alot easier to repair than the delta. I find moen parts more readily available than the delta. Even the most obscure check valves that the pullout sray/spout combos have are easier to find than delta parts
  4. tkohn

    tkohn New Member

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    I would expect that both the Moen and Delta would have parts readily available in my area. A sideline observation, from what I have read it seems that the Delta's (in general) require a bit more service but the parts are easy to get free direct from Delta, correct?
  5. bigbird

    bigbird New Member

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    From what I know it's the other way around.
  6. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    An amateur's opinion: Moen.
  7. moen posi temps....

    I prefer the Delta for general principle....

    once you have fought a few of those moen cartridges
    that simply cannot come out short of an act of god...

    you wish that it was a Delta for that reason alone..


    parts are parts.... both are easy to get for FREE..

    Delta is very , very easy to repair,

    Moen can more often than not become a
    literal MANHOOD CONTEST to get apart.
    I have torn our out of a walll before.....

    I dont like to curse that much in fromt of the
    customer....



    ..

    ...
  8. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    I feel that both are a good choice... I lean toward Moen on the basis of their great customer service. I hear the complaints of hard to remove cartridges and have yet to encounter one.
  9. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    I admit I did have to manufacture a puller to get the cartidges out of a pair of new shower valves last year. Nice diversion :D. My only complaint with Moen, and it may be universal now, is those $#!* all-pictures, no-words instructions they're sending out these days.
  10. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    You looked at the instructions?
    Real plumbers do not look at the instructions!:D
  11. krow

    krow Plumber

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    They have instuctions?? :confused:
  12. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    I thought they eliminated the words so that real plumbers could read them :D.
  13. Herk

    Herk Plumber

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    In our hard-water area, Moen cartridges can be difficult if not impossible to remove. Used to be only the brass cartridges got frozen in place because of a combination of lime buildup on the o-rings and the o-rings themselves hardening. But I've more recently had problems even with the plastic cartridges breaking in half, and leaving a section in the bottom of the chamber.

    I've ruined countless aftermarket pullers for the brass cartridges. I always consider when working on one that I may be ripping out the wall. If the aftermarket cartridge puller doesn't work, there is no way to get it back out of the faucet.
  14. michel1

    michel1 New Member

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    If you want some information on installing kitchen faucet just have a look at this
    • assemble the tools listed on the installation sheet included in the faucet box
    • shut off the water supplies from the valves located under your sink & turn on the faucet to release pressure
    • disconnect the tubes attached to the water supply valves. You may need to use a tubing cutter to cut the water supply pipes
    Its a drawn out procedure if use need more information you can visit the sites that are available on net.
  15. this is the reason you want Delta.....



    your post says it all.....
    I have literally been in tears trying to get
    half of a plastic posi-temp cartridge out
    of a second story shower faucet before....
    what should have been a 20 min job turns into
    3 hours...

    I have had to change out a good handful of Moen faucets
    where they literally wont come out...

    and for many of the moen lavatory and kitchen faucets it
    takes majic or a miracle to get them off without scarring them all up
    in the effort of removeing them just to get to the innards..


    all I know is
    at least with delta you got a fighting chance
    10 years from now
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