Help me out here guys

Discussion in 'Plumbing Forum, Professional & DIY Advice' started by nhmaster3015, Apr 2, 2010.

  1. nhmaster3015

    nhmaster3015 Master Plumber

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    Do any of you guys see a problem (s) with the DWV in these pictures? They are on the filters threads and I pointed out that there were some code violations there and I'm getting beat up over it.
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  2. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Looks pretty bad to me Wally.
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  3. nhmaster3015

    nhmaster3015 Master Plumber

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    Yea, I was just trying to point out to the OP that the drainage was pretty messed up down there. take a look at that tub drain line. It must run a good 10 feet with an s trap and no vent. then there's that Fernco connecting the cast to the PVC which is a disaster waiting to happen.
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    Nice hanger, though.
  5. Basement_Lurker

    Basement_Lurker One who lurks

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    Is this some sort of April fools joke?

    I bet the installer said to himself/herself: boy, what an awesome job I just did, I did this complicated plumbing drainage installation that has pipes going everywhere, boy what a pro I am! Who needs a plumber after all!
  6. nhmaster3015

    nhmaster3015 Master Plumber

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    Not a jole, the installer is a nice guy. All he did was cut in the 3 x 2 san tee and install the 2" trap. I'm sure he did it like that because everything else down there was done similarly. The OP just bought the place and if you read through the thread he wants to make things right down there. It's not the OP that was questioning my advice.
  7. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    A house trap is not "illegal", nor does it double trap any fixture if there is a functioning vent, not an AAV, anywhere in the system. The Fernco coupling is not permitted above the floor, but both pipes seem to be 4", the transition between the materials was just done improperly. The lables on the rest of it are correct as to the errorsl
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  8. nhmaster3015

    nhmaster3015 Master Plumber

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    IPC will not allow the house trap. I know that it is existing but it really should not be there. The improper transition is the cause of the reduction in pipe size.
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  10. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    Yeah I see problems too and believe things are against code. But I don't see enough wrong to cause a full redo now when the guy is installing a new AN filter and water softener.

    Since I'm the one debating with you in that thread where you consider you're being beat on, I suppose you will consider this as me beating on you too but it is not intended that way; I consider it a discussion of things that have been said and/or implied to a DIYer doing his own plumbing. Which IMO is why these forums exist.

    That thread is 10 pages and 120 posts long, started 2/27/2010 which is 5 weeks ago, and your first post is #107 on page 8 posted on 4/1/2010. IMO mostly all you have done is to be critical and disagreeable with things that I have said; and that started in your first post. Personally I see confrontation and a somewhat anti DIYer attitude in your posts rather than anything helpful to the OP, but that's just me; I do have a lot of experience with confrontational posts by many people that are critical of many things that I say. And the confrontation is not done to help the DIY members that ask for help here.

    And here you've started a thread in the pluming forum about that thread in a different forum by posting the pictures and complaining about someone beating on you. Why do that unless it's designed to be confrontational and stir things up?

    In that thread you see that there has been no mention of problems with the operation of the drainage system of the house and that the flow from the water treatment equipment is going to be a 3/4" flow for two periods of 15 minutes at say 5 gpm every 3-4 days in the middle of the night for the AN filter and then maybe once per week for the softener at a max 2.0 gpm for part of the regeneration time of roughly 50-75 minutes with 40-60 minutes of that time at roughly only .25 gpm.

    I don't see a problem with that flow rate and frequency serious enough to talk about redoing just about all the drain lines in the basement including the very ugly cast stack Fernco fitting replacement.

    For anyone that's interested, here is the link to the other forum's thread starting on the page with your first post in it;
    http://www.terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?35168-Water-Softener-with-RO-and-Ph-%28acid%29-Neutralizer-Install-Help/page8
  11. nhmaster3015

    nhmaster3015 Master Plumber

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    Thanks for posting the link and I hope everyone reads through it for the record.
  12. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    But you did say this (emphasis is mine); "Actually, no, bad plumbing is never "grandfathered" and as soon as he cut into the lateral he is obliged to bring those other things up to code. Had he pulled a permit to pipe the drain, the inspector would have clarified that issue for him."
  13. Bob999

    Bob999 In the Trades

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    I don't see what the paragraph above has to do with the discussion at hand--which I understand to be compliance with the plumbing code. Is the poster suggesting that those factors are relevant to the discussion at hand?
  14. nhmaster3015

    nhmaster3015 Master Plumber

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    It's over, let it die
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