Gulf oil disaster

Discussion in 'Ian's Corner' started by Ian Gills, May 20, 2010.

  1. This could of been solved 3 days after it happened by positioning a nuclear warhead and sealing it off by explosion. BP and greed doesn't want that because that is a top producing well, and their thinking is, what's a few 100 million more gallons of oil at this point. Seal that well and they'll never get that chance twice.

    Now I'm no meteorologist... See More/weather forecaster but everyone is saying the temperature of the water is up, primed for hurricane weather. I don't know if evaporation is possible to bring this into storm systems but already this oil slick is gassing off, otherwise people on shore wouldn't be having health problems already.

    Wait till a hurricane approaches that coastline like it has for the past few years.

    A 1/2 million dollar valve weighing 462 tons and 40 foot tall, disaster controlled, not avoided. Should of called a plumber.
  2. Redwood

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    It's amazing what a nuke could fix!

    So far ending wars seems to be the only application it has been called in for use on...
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    In the beginning, British Petroleum came up with several ideas for stopping the oil leak. All have failed so far, but they are now attempting to plug the hole with assorted garbage. They call it “Operation Top Kill.†I worry about all the families that make their living from the Gulf, the shellfish and the tourist, as well as teh off-shore workers that live with danger every day. I have family that work off shore and many more that work in the petro-chemical industry.
  4. FloridaOrange

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    Easy to say when you live in New England.

    Really? You want to set off a nuke in the Gulf? It probably wouldn't work (too large) and may even rupture more "shallow" oil reserves, besides it would be trading the environmental consequences of leaking oil with radiating everything in the gulf. All around the gulf are breeding grounds for alot of life, and not just life that lives in the gulf, plenty of species only come into the gulf only to breed.

    Top Kill has been called off as a failure......
  5. Redwood

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    They are now cutting off the damaged riser and are going to attempt a "Sharkbite" style valve installation on the fly...
    The only problem is that the damaged pipe they are cutting off is kinked so it is restricting the flow.
    If BP screws the pooch on this one it will get worse!

    Given the amount of messing up BP has done so far I don't have much confidence in success for their latest plan...
    It seem the stock market shares the same thoughts as BP has had its share value drop by a third.

    Here is a link to a live feed from the BP ROV doing the cutting operation.
    To me it like the equivalent of someone trying to cut 6" cast iron pipe with a Dremel tool...
    More like a scratch the pipe and bind bind the blade operation.
    BP ROV Live Feed

    Matt,
    I live in New England and I worry about seeing the effects of the oil spill here...
    I'm sure that it's effects will at least reach Cape Hatteras...

    Frankly I thing they have a snowballs chance in hell of plugging this before the relief wells are drills and even that probably isn't going to connect on the first several attempts. Drilling just isn't that accurate.

    The Ixtoc well that they are comparing this to was in only 50 meters of water and this one is in 5,000' of water.
    The Ixtoc well took 9 months to cap!

    I predict that by late summer most of the Atlantic Coast will be finding tar balls washed up on shore.
    Of course they will probably be claimed to not be from the Deepwater Horizon blowout.
    I don't think many people realize the magnitude of this disaster.

    So much of it has been hidden by the undersea deployment of dispersants and it's effects are unknown.
    What we are seeing is the tip of the iceberg.

    All I can say is I have snorkeled in the Keys and seen the coral reef...
    I'm glad I did!
    The people that haven't done it yet and future generations are going to miss the chance.

    Wally, while the spill may not make headlines years from now its effects will live on.
    In 1969 there was an oil spill in Buzzards Bay, The spill was diesel oil which is much lighter than the crude that BP is spilling.
    40 years later on the surface the spill in Buzzards bay is not all that apparent but in the sediment the oil is still there virtually unchanged.
    Its effects lingering on...
    It just doesn't show up in the post cards...

    Oil is dirty business!
  6. FloridaOrange

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    I didn't intend my comment to everyone living in NE, just the one making slight of this problem. I don't want it to go up the eastern seaboard either, the damage to Chesapeak Bay would be as bad as the damage that's occuring on the LA coast.
    The keys definitely worry me, if (maybe when) the reefs are destroyed it will be for generations to come. I've been diving in the keys and it's absolutely incredible down there.
    If I see the oil on my doorstep the oil has already made it down to the keys..........


    The accident doesn't piss me off so much as the response to it, accidents happen and we live on oil. BP could've done more (maybe) if they weren't intent in the begininning to save the well vs. stopping the oil.
  7. Redwood

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    I know that Matt!
    I didn't take it that way either...

    Most people just don't realize the magnitude of this disaster...

    Early on when comparisons were being made to Ixtoc and Admiral Allen of the Coast Guard was saying, "We are in uncharted territory." I had a pretty good Idea of how grim the situation was.

    This spill is pretty much destined to be a shoe in for the #2 spot on the worlds worst oil spill list...

    If you want to see the effects of a spill of this magnitude you may look at the lingering effects of the Gulf War Oil Spill nearly 20 years later.
    The health of people in the region is still affected by it.

  8. You should be smart enough by now to comprehend and F-ing understand that nuclear devices come in all levels of design. Not everything is that huge mushroom cloud everyone would think it to be.

    We have millions of gallons of oil in the sea and you're worried about some F-ing sea monkeys being harmed?

    Understand that thousands of gallons are dumping into the ocean and by the time they fix this F-up it's going to be massive.

    A controlled detonation will create enough of a depth into the earth's crust to hopefully pile up the same dense material they drilled through to seal it off.

    Nothing has worked so far and people are complaining about ideas to stop it...what a joke.
  9. Redwood

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    "Controlled Detonation" is not usually associated with Nuclear Explosions!

    LOL
  10. FloridaOrange

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    I understand (in a layman way) low yield nukes but how about we test those out near your neighborhood first.
    Yes I am concerned about the f'n sea monkeys, more importantly all the other things living around and feeding off of them.
    This is no joke to me, I don't want my family to get sick and I also would love my daughter to be able to enjoy our water and beaches much the same as I have for many years.
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    In much the same way that nobody's talkin' about Chernobyl, I s'pose...

    Until they actually succeed at putting a cork in it the upper bound of the damage can't be determined- like I said, this party's just gettin' started (and unlike Ixtoc-I it's in-our-face, there's no avoiding it, or the longer term effects.)

    But even if they plugged it today (and I sure hope they do, but I'm not holding my breath), it'll still be the largest single-event environmental disaster in US history. I'm glad not to be dependent upon Louisiana fisheries for a living.

    But whether the F150 remains the commuter-car of choice in 5 years depends more on Chinese energy policy than the costs of environmental damage mitigation in the Gulf of Mexico. China is currently burning ~1/3 as much oil as the US, but is on track to be using 2/3-3/4 as much by 2020, exceeding US consumption by ~2025. There aren't enough drilling rigs in the world to keep pace with the increase in Asian appetite- US efficiency will be enforced by the market: People driving mopeds & mini-cars short-haul in India & China are willing and better-able to pay a much steeper price per gallon than a 100mile/day suburban commuter in an F150.
  12. Low yield nukes.


    Do you really think...


    Do you really think they haven't tested the capabilities of nuclear devices all these years...the past 50 years??? Do you think a nuclear engineer wouldn't of spoke out on this matter if they knew of a way to stop this? I shouldn't be trading this information around as I'm hearing it from within, someone directly tied to the efforts to resolve this matter and it's fear that no one knows an end to.


    You've got the sea turning black and you think that one explosion underwater to attempt to seal off this matter is more dangerous than....a few million gallons of crude oil washing ashore.....



    Good luck with your beach front and oil tainted air when it pulls up the east coast. It'll take weeks/months to drill a relief well. You think that accuracy will be without mistake....
  13. Redwood

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    Considering the only "Documented Testing" on this application was coming out of the USSR and was thinly disguised underground nuclear weapons testing do you really want to go there?

    My concern is it would be more like hydro-fraking gone out of control and they no longer have a casing to work with but rather a cracked seabed with oil oozing out over a large area until the pressure of the oil deposit equalizes and the flow stops...
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    It seems to me they could easily place a tube into the pipe to capture the oil. They should also be able to stop the flow in the same manner a doctor would use a catheter for kidney functions . Placing a tube with a ballon to seal the spill and then either, offload the oil or stop until they can replace with the proper pipe casing.

    In medicine, a catheter is a tube that can be inserted into a body cavity, duct, or vessel. Catheters allow drainage, injection of fluids, or access by surgical instruments. The process of inserting a catheter is catheterization. In most uses, a catheter is a thin, flexible tube ("soft" catheter), though in some uses, it is a larger, solid ("hard") catheter. A catheter left inside the body, either temporarily or permanently, may be referred to as an indwelling catheter. A permanently inserted catheter may be referred to as a permcath.

    Get a couple of doctors down there, lol.

  15. Was you in contact with someone that actually has inside information about this disaster, like I do? I didn't seek out this fellow, I just ended up working for him and talked at length about the seriousness of this situation and how 5,280 feet down in the water is a huge problem. I was talking to someone who has a brother that's in the top brass of this. They are talking about using a nuclear device to stop it. That's what you don't find on a google search and yes,

    that's the extreme measures they are looking at to somehow stop this disaster before it curls around florida and rolls up the east coast.

    Well wishers have their place...but the powers that be are extremely worried about NOT stopping this flow, armchair opinions aside.
  16. Redwood

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    I guess we'll just have to see how this all works out...

    How is that Tsunami doing....
    Did it come in yet?

    By the way...
    I'm watching a live feed of BP ROVs cutting the riser pipe right now...
    BP ROV Riser Cutting Operation
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  17. erhein35

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    A human hair can also help this problem because the oil will easily stick to the hair according to some experiments.
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  19. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill


    FAIL



    "The effort underwater was going on as oil drifted close to the Florida Panhandle's white sand beaches for the first time"

    20% increase in flow once the cut is made to open and cap. Relief well is over 2 months away.
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