Gravel Bed Question

Discussion in 'Water Softener Forum, problems, installation and r' started by benzo, Sep 17, 2009.

  1. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    Yes there is and the reason is as ridiculous as the reason for a plumber's license. Or private pilot's license. Or driver's license. There used to be a license required if you owned/operated a CB radio too. Still is for HAM radio. There are hunting and gun licenses too.

    The reason is an ever increasing in size and scope, tax'n spend, freedom reducing anti business lying democrat controlled government using consumer/public safety as the cause for their licenses and regulations.
  2. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    So I take it Obama will not be able to count on you for your vote LOL
  3. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    Your behavior on this forum is deplorable and not fitting a moderator. You take almost every thread here into the gutter with your off-topic rants and antics.

    It's too bad Terry is more interested in the ad-click revenue from traffic following your antics than serving the needs of people coming to this forum looking for help.

    If anyone wants to start a petition to unseat Gary as the moderator, you have my vote.
  4. Tom Sawyer

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    He hasn't been a moderator for quite awhile now. I'd hate to see him go. He makes me laugh.

    Airline pilots have to be licensed. I think that's probably a good thing. Not that someone couldn't have those skills without having a license but how do you keep track of their experience otherwise? Maybe we should get rid of drivers licensed too. Lord knows there are thousands of folks out there driving with licenses that haven't a clue. Anarchy is the way LOL

    Rather than complaining though, how about coming up with a viable solution to the problem. One that gets the government off our backs and yet still keeps innocent folks from getting hurt, killed or robbed blind.

    BTW, this has got to hold the record for the furthest thread drift in the history of forums LOL

    Just a reminder though Gravel under bedding was the original topic
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  5. LLigetfa

    LLigetfa DIYer, not in the trades

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    Are you talking figuratively? Who is moderating this forum?

    I'm not trying to ban him from the site. Maybe Terry could setup a Gary's Corner forum where his rants and antics would be acceptable. I just want this forum to have some modicum of decency and professionalism and not have every thread dragged into the gutter regardless of how entertaining it may be for you.
  6. Tom Sawyer

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    I guess Terry is moderating it. We do tend to go off on tangents though no doubt. Still, it's been a lot more civil around here lately than in the past. I guess we're just used to it by now.
  7. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    At least the petty veiled theats and disclosing of private information has stopped, and now that he cant go into threads and change them and delete items he disagrees with... regardless, the number of people that read through a few posts looking for an answer prior to asking and wont post because of ridiculous trolling and petty gutter work that is always done when someone starts putting in their 2 cents must be staggering. Look at threads that some were not commented on by... and notice how simple, clean, and to the point they are? A disagreement on technique, a difference of opinion, a different way of accomplishing the goal maybe, but the ridculous rants, trolling, and passive aggressive behavior just doesnt occur. It is the same on almost any other site, wether it be water, well, or whatever.

    I agree, gravel underbedding is a good practice, while not totally necessary, and the vortech tank is a good design, though more difficult to service in the future and a little more expensive up front.

    3 pages for a question on gravel??? With a side rant of anti-government thrown in for good measure. All government licensing is bad, all government is bad??? Sigh, I am very conservative, very republican, but even so, I can understand the need for "limited" government. Then again, this particular rant is coming from an unlicensed person who lives in parking lots. :)
  8. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    Yo guys... the thread is just two weeks short of 3 yrs old! And was resurrected with one recent post about the original subject by an other than the original poster. And then my good buddy Tommy derailed the thing in post #14...

    Well that's if you don't include 20tons' truck loads of gravel a month etc. etc. but...

    I see I have not said one word, until now and in response, about anyone here and yet I see 3-4 guys running me into the ground personally... while whining because they are a bit too sensitive, or feminized, I guess... or following an agenda. I go with the latter although all three seem to be true. Oneof'em is from outside of the US.

    I also notice I'm the only non anonymous one here.

    Anyway, Tommy I won't be voting for any RINOs either. And I'm thinkin' ya oughta get rid of the piper cub thingy, save the license renewal money for it and all them plumber licenses you've got and get yerself a few more beans, bullets'n bandaids; ya know, just in case.

    Which reminds me... you might want a bit of rice, flour, sugar, etc. and a means to boil water to make potable water without being 'plugged in', like in a parking lot or some such.
  9. Tom Sawyer

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    I'm not really sure how my agreeing with you in post #14 derailed the thread and for the life of me what is the 20 tons truck loads of gravel a month about? Are you back on the bottle again cause that just makes no sense whatsoever. Now as for buying beans and rice, that's a good strategy for some but that means that you have to spend all your time defending your castle. It's gonna be a 24 hour a day job, 365 days a year. Better to be the looter. At least you get a few days off to rest in between raids. LOL As for licensing the piper, if I lived in a more secluded area I'd probably consider it but I'm only about 5 miles from the nearest MOA to the north and I have Pease AFB, Manchester and Logan airspace to the south. Not registering would probably cost me way way more. BTW, it's not a cub, its a 1939 Stinson HW75. One of only a half dozen left in the world at last count.
  10. Mikey

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    Ah, creeping right along... an HW75? A real oldie but goodie. I owned a 2nd cousin twice removed, an L-4, for a while until Hurricane Andrew trashed it. And of course Stinson ultimately became part of Piper, so we were part of the same big aircraft family. Do you fly on skis during the Maine winter?

    I admit the thread creep and mild rants really don't bother me much, and actually (to me) add something to the social karma of the forum. I'm not crazy about the personal attacks, but every long-lived forum I participate in has them, so I've learned to tune them out. One forum did have a specific almost-no-holds-barred area called "The Cage", to which offensive posts were moved, and some posters restricted (a "time-out") until they agreed to play nicely. It was a pretty entertaining area to visit.

    Back to gravel, I found 2 bags of store-bought gravel in my shed as I prepare to overhaul my system. One looks like Florida Chatahoochee stone: rounded, mixed shades of brown; the other is sharp-edged, uniform and white. I guess the ideal underbedding wound be perfectly round, uniform, fairly heavy, and inert -- like gold beads. I see garnet is available -- is that special in some way? I found a 10" diameter mixing bowl in a garage sale for $0.25 a while back which is perfect for measuring out the right amount of gravel to fill the bottom dome of my tanks.

    Finally, most folks say to use "1/8in - 1/4in" gravel. I wondered exactly what that meant. (Yes, I do have too much time on my hands.) My first guess was the individual pieces of gravel were between 1/8" and 1/4" in some dimension or other, but that didn't seem very scientific, and measuring a bucket load of gravel would be tedious (although, believe it or not, they use lasers and digital imaging to do just that these days). But Googling eventually led me to "Sieve Analysis", which is probably what's really going on. (This is a Civil Engineering discipline. As an EE, I find it suspect from the get-go.) If so, the 1/8" - 1/4" size means that if you've got a bucket of gravel, and sift it through a 1/4" screen, and then sift the result through a 1/8" screen, you will be left with "1/4in - 1/8in" gravel on the top of the 1/8" screen, and can throw everything else away.
  11. Tom Sawyer

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    I actually bought the HW75 from a friend that was restoring an L4 to original military dress so he needed the money for the project. It originally had a Continental 65 which was underpowered to say the least. It's got a Lycoming 0235 in it now. Never had ski's on it that I know of.
  12. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    You don't want uniform or garnet (IMO), 1/8" x 1/4" has been used for many decades because it is the best size and shape.

    You pour the gravel in the tank after plugging/taping the top of the distributor tube to keep gravel and resin out of the DT and putting the distributor tube in the tank and holding the it down in the tank so the pointy end of the bottom basket on the end of the distributor tube is in the dimple in the center of the bottom of the tank.

    When taking a plug out or tape off the DT You do not allow any gravel to get under the bottom basket or it will eventually break the bottom basket and allow gravel and then resin out into your plumbing and all fixtures. That can be a nightmare to clean up and expensive.

    You only add enough gravel to cover the top of the bottom basket by an inch and quit.
  13. ditttohead

    ditttohead Water systems designer, R&D

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    Your seive explanation is correct. Garnet is always better than traditional gravel, but from a cost point, it is considerably more expensive. (it is still extremely inexpensive though). The typical garnet for water softening is a 8-12 mesh. Many of our customers spec garnet over gravel, but it is purely for marketing reasons rather than actual function. The garnet is also much cleaner than even the expensive triple rinsed gravels.

    Sounds like you are good to go!
  14. Mikey

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    I hope so. I've been putting this off for years as I accumulated supplies and information. The first link in the chain is draining and pressure-washing the 120 gallon contact tank, but the %$#$ pressure washer won't start. It's one d*mn thing after another.
  15. Gary Slusser

    Gary Slusser That's all folks!

    Your customers are mostly wholesale distributors that then sell to plumbing supply houses, that then sell to plumbers and well drillers etc. right?
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