Glued Pipe to Cast Iron?

Discussion in 'Shower & bathtub Forum & Blog' started by raybigto, Mar 12, 2007.

  1. raybigto

    raybigto New Member

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    Hi Everyone,

    This will be my first post here. This forum is awesome. Here goes.... In removing the old tub at home, I found the tub drain connection "glued" to the p-trap. The photo shows the threading on the p-trap wasn't used to connect the brass/crome pipe. It was "glue" instead. The p-trap is also cemented to the edge of the home's foundation. They had to break some foundation to make from for it, and then mortared it in place. Removing the 90 degree elbow would require me to break some motar (foundation) to make room. How can I remove that glue to remove the crome/brass piece? As seen in photo I broke the piece (covered with tape) not knowing it was glued. Has anyone every encounted this situation? Any suggestions appreciated!

    Raymond

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  2. raybigto

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    Another angle (photo)

    Here's another photo with a different angle.... Hope I don't have to redo the cast iron section.

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  3. Bob NH

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    A torch will take care of most glue products. If you apply heat at the joint to destroy the glue, you should be able to get the inner piece out. You may eventually have to try to collapse the piece you are taking out.

    Don't cut it off because you want the handle to pull and twist.
  4. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    drain

    I cannot tell what the riser pipe material is, but the trap is brass, so the riser pipe should be a brass tubing soldered into it. That is not the correct trap for that location, which is why they soldered it in, rather than use a slip nut and washer onto the threads.
  5. Cass

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    It is soldered on. I would replace as much of that old pipe as is possible while you have the floor up.

    Replace drains and vents as far as you can go.
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    I would cut the pipe behind the ty then you can convert to plastic. For the 10 mins. it would take will be worth it in the long run.
  7. raybigto

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    Thanks!

    Thanks for the replies guys. I drew up a diagram showing different points I'm considering cutting. It seems cutting at location 2, 3 and 4 would allow me to fill in with PVC (banded coupling at each). Adding a clean out at location 1 is a great idea (thanks for the tip). The 2" vents all connect to a 4" vent leading to roof at the bottom-left of picture (toilet drain). I did contemplate making the kitchen drains pvc too but after working on this project everyday after work, I'm getting worn out... Is it safe to cut at location 2 because I've got about 6 inches straight pipe. I'm planning to use a reciprocating saw with wax.

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  8. raybigto

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    Cut close up

    Here's a close up of the planned cut location #2.... Last check before it's a done deal <deep breath>.

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  9. raybigto

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    Got it out!

    With some heat I got the bronze pipe out. It was actually taped with masking tape and plummer puttied! Wow.... I cleaned out the threads with a wire brush and can got about normally. Just in time, the weekend is here! Time to close out this project.

    Thanks all!

    p.s. I'm going to leave my cast iron alone, other than the sink where I'll cut the "T" out and replace with ABS black plastic pipe.
  10. Cass

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    In my NSHO I think your making a big mistake by not cutting the cast at circle #2 and replacing it all. It is so easy now and would take hardly any time to do. Even if it took you a whole day, which it shouldn't, it would be well worth the time and few $$$ spent.
  11. raybigto

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    Tub p-trap question

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    If I started ABS from point 2, is the p-trap done the same way as the sink with a slip nut? Otherwise I would have to VERY precise with the plastic measurements and cutting to get center for the tub drain. Thanks for helping me put reason above the emotions to get this done. Slope is 1/2" per foot correct?

    Your response was the reason I was looking for to cut at point 2. I think I will sleep better if I do the tub and sink drain in ABS.
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  12. Cass

    Cass Plumber

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    Only 1/4" /Ft. and when you cut at point 2 scrape the inside of the pipe that is left. Scrape it good and get as much buildup off the inside as possible B 4 you start replacing it. B suer when you cut it to leave 2 times what you need for the banded coupling to fit

    Use a 8" level for the 1/4" /ft and as long as the bubble is just touching the line on the sight glass you are fine. Thats all you need.

    Do your vents also as far as you can reasonably go.
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  13. raybigto

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    Thanks Cass, just finished cutting point 2, I'll keep updates for anyone who's following. Just realized that the slanted tub vent will block the way for the new tub. The old one had a gap that hid it. Also, the tub trap is connected to galvanized straight 1.5" pipe.. I'll be curious to see how this looks inside.
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  14. raybigto

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    after cut

    I just finished cutting the cast iron w/ reciprical masonary blade and wax and the two vents w/ circular masonary blade. I have to say that the circular saw was much easier. I used some rope to support the piping to prevent it from falling after cutting. The cast iron weighs so much! The insdie of the cast iron at the cut (location #2) looks good. Now, time to get working!

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