Generac Portable Generator

Discussion in 'Electrical Forum discussion & Blog' started by rockycmt, Nov 2, 2011.

  1. ballvalve

    ballvalve General Engineering Contractor

    Messages:
    3,261
    Location:
    northfork, california
    JW, since you are raising up a bunch of electricians, when we lose 7,000 manufacturing jobs, and the infrastructure that keeps it alive, your students might not have much left to do, so I suggest this "modification" of the thread is quite constructive.

    You should read the wall street journal more often: Those fantastic Generac's are made by, and the company simply a branch of Briggs and Stratton. So thanks for buying Briggs and American.

    That seems like a very odd defense - a non repairable engine. How would you like it if that was in your car? Billy bob can fix a Briggs [a Generac] and get an English speaking human on the phone in about 30 seconds. The first rule of engineering, you may well know is simplify, simplify.

    Here is a forum on briggs vs generac. Looks like ford VS chevy. http://www.mudmotortalk.com/mmt_v2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9930
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2011
  2. jwelectric

    jwelectric Electrical Contractor/Instructor

    Messages:
    2,529
    Location:
    North Carolina
    This is not an electrical problem.
    This is not something that a DIYer can solve.

    This is a political problem and something that needs to be addressed at the voting poles and not here on this forum.

    Take heed that this thread is very close to being closed.
  3. Speedy Petey

    Speedy Petey Licensed Electrical Contractor

    Messages:
    988
    Location:
    NY State, USA
    Generac is NOT Briggs. That is like saying a Neon is the same as a Chrysler.
  4. ballvalve

    ballvalve General Engineering Contractor

    Messages:
    3,261
    Location:
    northfork, california
    JW, I am impressed you let us play so long, but it is an important issue, American manufacturing is directly responsible for a position for your students to be placed into.

    And if you actually were a part of the Rock of the Marne, you will know how critical it is that this country protect its manufacturing base when the next and inevitable real war starts up.

    If this thread disturbs your sense of electricity, please send it over to IANs spot where I am sure he would be pleased to let us argue - ugly and insensibly, as Spedepete took it to.

    But as I know you, this is the end of our DEBATE. I wish Terry would give you more direction to accept diversions in your forum, but as I recall he had a very bad experience with a past electrical forum boss and will not rock your boat.
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2011
  5. Rich B

    Rich B DIY Senior Member

    Messages:
    283
    Location:
    New Jersey

    Generac IS somehow part of Briggs.......If I try to get a part for a Generac it is a Briggs labeled part. I don't know the details of why this is but Generacs have Briggs engines and the electrical parts I've gotten recently for Generacs come in Briggs boxes.
  6. Speedy Petey

    Speedy Petey Licensed Electrical Contractor

    Messages:
    988
    Location:
    NY State, USA
    Yeah, in the same way that a part for a Geo Metro and a Corvette both come in GM boxes.
  7. DonL

    DonL Jack of all trades

    Messages:
    3,810
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    Briggs has long been making Motors and Parts for many Manufactures.

    They went to crape when they started putting California Plastic Carburetors on their engines.
    After learning from Mistake, They have continued to make a descent product, For Many Company's.
  8. Rich B

    Rich B DIY Senior Member

    Messages:
    283
    Location:
    New Jersey

    Your analogies don't work to me at all .....

    Foreign built cars have nothing to do with small portable USA built generators...

    If Generac uses Briggs engines......and they do on under 15 kw units...and they sell replacement parts in Briggs boxes....it's reasonable to assume Generac has a big connection or is owned by Briggs....

    Briggs owns a pile of companies with familiar names from everything I have read.



    Almost all generators are built using various components from different suppliers....like a huge assortment of machines...

    Engines from one manufacturer
    Generator ends from somewhere else....and they use commonly available items like voltage regulators......
    They build the frame and add their wiring and controls.....
    and label the unit as theirs....

    Import built stuff is built the same way......but most of the electrical components are junk and the engines are "knockoffs"
    They copy the Honda engines in every way.....size shape and colors.....they actuallly run decent and last.....The electrical compnonets don't.


    I have worked on MANY larger Generac standby generators.......

    Just had a home unit labeled as a GE and sold by Home Depot.....It was a Briggs......same as the ones we sell that are labeled as Briggs...
  9. jwelectric

    jwelectric Electrical Contractor/Instructor

    Messages:
    2,529
    Location:
    North Carolina
    It is a fairly closed mind that thinks down a one way street. Being that this is what you want to discuss instead of the topic I want you to put one thought in mind before you make unfounded statements about something that you know little about.

    Instead of letting the free trade of the world take place why don’t we keep everything that we need and consume all in one place? Instead of buying from our neighbor why don’t we just produce what we need ourselves? Now this neighbor can be someone in another country, state, county, or right next door. The end result is the same. Don’t spend a dime for anything but instead make it ourselves. This is the quickest way to become a third world country known to mankind.

    Being part of the Rock opens my eyes to the fact that I cannot do it by myself but need the help of those around me in order to survive. I am open minded enough to see that those around me is not limited to those who live next door.

    Medicine is one very good example. There is one medicine that I need on a regular basis that cost more than $800 at my local drug store. This very same medicine, made by the same manufacturer here in the good ole USA sells for less than $30 in Mexico or Canada. Is this due to third world countries or is due to the sue happy good ole USA? If it don’t work hire a lawyer and make him rich.

    As one can see this hogwash about everything leaving America has to do more with America than anyone else. We have done this to ourselves with our demands of higher pay and more benefits. Overtime for anything over 15 minutes of labor and a 55 minute break for every hour of work.
    Let’s get America back on line. People get money for work done not for standing around a drink machine. Make the rules simple, no work equals no food.


    Terry has not addressed me or this thread but I know that he formed this discussion forum to aid those needing advice about an electrical problem not to discuss the world trade problems.
    So bearing that in mind let’s try to keep the discussion about the topic at hand and leave those things concerning elections out of the discussion. If you are not happy with the free trade agreement then do something in November but not here.
  10. jimbo

    jimbo Plumber

    Messages:
    8,997
    Location:
    San Diego
    Occupy This.
  11. DonL

    DonL Jack of all trades

    Messages:
    3,810
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    Well put JW,

    Once the Ball gets rolling it is hard to stop. But no damage done, That I see.

    One reason that so many people like Terry's Forums is because Terry supports Freedom of speech.

    Sometimes the Heading don't match the Subject.

    Sounds like a Software Glitch to me...


    Have a great Sunday, Everyone.


    DonL
  12. Speedy Petey

    Speedy Petey Licensed Electrical Contractor

    Messages:
    988
    Location:
    NY State, USA
    I am NOT making a direct comparison to cars. I was making the same point as you that some parts come from the same place.

    If you look back, I said Generac USED to have a bad rep. IMO this is from the Briggs days. Older Generacs (maybe two years ago) are NOT the same as the ones offered today. Generac is now owned by Eaton, and the units are MUCH better. They are identical to the currently available Eaton units. The older Culter/Briggs units were junk IMO, especially the vertical 7kW units. Their service was also TERRIBLE. Since the breakup of Cutler/Briggs things have improved tremendously.
    The new Eaton/Generac is a new beginning IMO.

    As far as portable units go, anything under the Briggs name is not what one would call high quality. Some of the portable Generac units fall under this as well unfortunately.
  13. ballvalve

    ballvalve General Engineering Contractor

    Messages:
    3,261
    Location:
    northfork, california
    Certainly I agree with the medicine, but recent careful [independant] studies show about 25% of the imports, most of which are Indian or Chinese, no mater the package, were aldulterated and some false. Many cancer drugs have been diluted or repacked because they sell for more than cocaine. One must be very careful in the [by the way] illegal imports.

    Monday I'll have 9 Slovak professors here for dinner and they are tops at Phizer Europe labs - I'll get their very much inside info after a few bottles of wine and report back. One is a cousin, so he will speak freely on the side.

    The Generac-Briggs spoke so highly of are made by those unions and beat the price of the imports, so that system must work under the right management. To keep my point brief, England would be germany if not for our manufacturing base, though one hopes if such a war starts again we can get the machines and the drive to save ourselves. If we lose Briggs 7 or 9000 main employees, thats a lot of machine tools that can make weapons instead - for the country that buys them at auction.

    I never mentioned NAFTA, I think the issue is patriotism and perseverance. My father heated his parents house with coal picked up on the rail road tracks. Walked thru town to shoot the evening meal - rifle in hand, Now kids dont even know where heat comes from, and the Swat team would close all roads in the city for a kid with a .22 .... Made a top sniper of Japanese on 15 islands. I was skinning rabbits when I was 9. And we were in a real city. I'm full of lead pellets and Dad never got through a airport metal detector.

    Just bought a 32$ mexican arc fault breaker. I am certain we could make it here for $32.50
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2011
  14. Rich B

    Rich B DIY Senior Member

    Messages:
    283
    Location:
    New Jersey
    One thing is for sure about the Internet.....No matter what you say someone will take issue with your staements.

    The OP'er asked about portable generators......

    I see a lot of them....

    Honda is number one....

    Generac would rank a lot lower in quality, but very similar to many USA brands...

    Anything Made in China is not worth the boat ride over to the west coast where it was offloaded.

    I repair generators.......My company has sold lots of units......

    I have a well used Honda EB 3500......It's over 10 years old.....Has never failed me and my neighbor used it this past week for 3 or 4 days striaght.....I am an auto racer.....Drag racing.....I go to weekend races and the Honda goes with me....It powers my pickup truck camper and some items in my trailer when I go to a long weekend race.

    I am about to put an Onan 4KW RV unit in my trailer........I have one I can repair and use. I will still take the Honda with me just in case.......Onans are great BUT they do break.......Oh and I fix them too.......All the time.....Every RV unit they make....
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2011
  15. ballvalve

    ballvalve General Engineering Contractor

    Messages:
    3,261
    Location:
    northfork, california
    It turns out that my cousin is the Phizer salesboss for Czech-Slovakia, and he was taking, on behalf of the drug company, 25 liver specialists
    on a "conference" to san Francisco and Yosemite to push a new liver drug, of great expense. One can stop wondering why one tablet can cost 400$, when that is paying for these doctors vacation. And they get huge kick backs for prescribing them.

    Finally, scary part, I inquired of the 9 that came here about Silymarin, or the extract of Milk thistle, A OLD liver remedy, natural, and recently concentrated and given in large doses to greatly prolong livers going toward failure and incredibly, having saved several people from Amanita mushroom - 'death cap' poisoning, which destroys the liver. No knowledge, except a scoff of sorts. And these were double blind long term studies.

    The medical system is a bit closed minded and deeply oriented toward free junkets around the world for fleecing their patients.

    They didnt have any generator opinions, but did say most of the small engines in Europe tend towards Briggs now.
  16. illinois524

    illinois524 New Member

    Messages:
    9
    Location:
    new jersey
    Long term sitting prep

  17. BobL43

    BobL43 DIY Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,786
    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    Pickling the engine: after draining the fuel tank and running the engine until the carburetor is empy and the engine stops, I remove the spark plug, squirt a little motor oil into the spark plug hole, pull the starter cord several times to get that oil spread around the cylinder and piston rings and reinstall the plug. That is to inhibit rust from forming in the combustion chamber.

    I do not have natural gas within 2 blocks where I live, and for the number of times I've needed the generator since year 2000, I could have done without wiring in a transfer panel to connect it up. A few extension cords would have been fine. I did install one, though, and it made it convenient to use.
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2011
Similar Threads: Generac Portable
Forum Title Date
Electrical Forum discussion & Blog Big Old Generac- Model 8515-0. Looking for information, parts and advice. Jun 19, 2012
Electrical Forum discussion & Blog Generac XG7000E and Interlock Kit Dec 3, 2011
Electrical Forum discussion & Blog Generac NG generator Nov 22, 2011
Electrical Forum discussion & Blog Is this portable generator hook-up OK? Oct 20, 2011
Electrical Forum discussion & Blog using coleman ground fault extention cord with portable generator Feb 24, 2011

Share This Page