choosing between a toto toilet and american standard

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by Rachael, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. Rachael

    Rachael New Member

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    Hi,

    I am replacing all of the toilets in my house in 1 go, so am looking to make a good choice!

    To maximize certain Canadian eco rebates I am only considering 3 models, all dual flush models. Can anyone suggest which would be the best model to buy of the 3 listed below?

    options:
    1. American Standard cadet 3 (model 3380.516) - very reasonably priced at about $220 Canadian
    2. American Standard H2Option Siphonic Dual Flush (model 2887.216) - more expensive at about $360 Canadian with a lined tank
    3. Toto Aquia II (model CST 416M) - around $400 Canadian with a soft close seat.

    I have heard good things about the Toto brand, but when I checked the MAP scores both of the American Standard toilets above rated 1000,while the Toto was 500. I have young kids (who tend to overcompensate on the toilet paper) and I'm concerned about clogging.

    There is also quite a price difference between the basic cadet model and the other 2.

    Which would you recommend of these models? There is also the possibility of purchasing a mix of models - ie. putting a better toilet in the higher traffic powder room for example.

    While 2 of the models are more expensive, with the eco rebates they are still reasonably affordable. Is it worth paying $140 to $180 more per toilet vs. getting the cheaper Cadet base model?

    Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
  2. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    In general, people tend to have more factory defects with the AS brand than with Toto, especially if you buy the AS from one of the big home centers verses a plumbing supply house - this is not to say you won't get a defect free one and that it can work well. Some manufacturers have designed their toilets to maximize the results from the MAP testing which uses plastic wrapped paste, not the real stuff which acts quite differently. The actual designer of the test says that anything 500g or better should be fine. BTW, I weighed a new roll of TP, and at least with the brand I have, an entire roll weighed only about 175g and that included the core.

    Insulated tanks aren't as big a deal with the new toilets since they all leave a fair amount of (likely) room-temperature water in them which warms up the incoming cold. It could be an issue if the toilet is flushed multiple times by a group of users with little time inbetween, though. In that case, even an insulated tank may not solve the problem, and supplying the tank with tempered water is the long-term solution as this would prevent both the shutoff valve and hose from dripping as well.
  3. udsexpert

    udsexpert New Member

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    Toto Versus American Standard!

    I owned a kitchen and bath showroom for 20 years and I can tell you without a doubt that Toto is a superior toilet to American Standard having sold them both as well as the Kohler models that compete with these two.

    I have been selling Toto for many years and have never had even one single complaint about a backup. Toto have been the leaders in low water use technology and we even changed our 1.6 gal Toto and Kohler toilets for the latest Toto 1.28 gal and are very happy with the results.

    A good toilet is installed once and should provide you years of trouble free service so I would not hesitate to spend a little more for a Toto over everything else-they are worth it!
    http://www.universaldesignspecialists.com/category/blog.html
  4. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    500 grams is a very good amount for flushing.
    The EPA requires 350 grams for their rating. Not every bowl with a high MaP does all things well.
    I've installed some toilets that were MaP rated at 325 grams that were very good. And I've installed toilets rated at 650 grams that plugged weekly. The MaP test isn't all knowing. It's only a partial testing method.
    Consumer Reports has their test that doesn't work for flushing paper down. Some of their "Best Buy's" wouldn't even flush paper.
    Testing one portion of a multi-function item is fine as long as you realize it still hasn't been tested for daily use yet.

    I don't think you will be unhappy with any of those choices though. Just make sure everything is inspected before your bring it home.
    I will say that the thing I like best about the TOTO, is that there is almost never a return. I love that. I've sold hundreds of the Aquia toilets, and they've been rock solid.


    Consumer Reports "Best Buy" that shredded paper that did not flush down.
    Last edited: Feb 6, 2012
  5. Hackney plumbing

    Hackney plumbing Homeowner

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    I'd buy the Cadet....less things to break.
  6. Rachael

    Rachael New Member

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    Thanks all for your responses. Sounds like the aquia is the preferred model. We'll have to see how its' dual flush buttons stand up to the inquisitiveness of 2 young kids!

    thanks
    Rachael
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