jm10701
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Caulk to keep toilet from moving.
Rant all you want. I believe my own eyes. I can see the little part of floor that used to be covered by the toilet but isn't any more, and when that appeared the water did too. The toilet was bolted securely to the floor, and the toilet rotated. Just a little bit, maybe an eighth of an inch at the front, but enough to break the wax seal. The first thing I did was check the nuts, and they were tight. How it happened I don't know, but that it happened I'm absolutely sure of because I can see it.
These are huge old toilets; the front edge at the floor is 16" from the flange, and the edge of the bowl itself is another five inches, so sideways pressure at the front puts a lot more torque on the bowl than in a newer toilet. There's enough of a gap in the holes around the bolts to allow that amount of rotation, and the porcelain can't stand enough pressure from the nuts to guarantee that it never moves. Maybe on a vinyl or wood floor, but not on ceramic tile. That just isn't possible, regardless of what they may have taught you in plumber school. That may be why they put the extra set of holes closer to the front on these old monsters.
Regardless of what anybody here says, I'm counting on the caulk to help keep the thing in place because I've seen with my own eyes that the two bolts aren't enough, and I can't think of anything better, and I need to caulk anyway, and nobody here is offering anything useful, just attitude.
Sometimes you guys seem more interested in playing expert than in actually helping anybody. I guess that shouldn't be surprising. I'd probably be the same way if I were you. We all like to show off.
Rant all you want. I believe my own eyes. I can see the little part of floor that used to be covered by the toilet but isn't any more, and when that appeared the water did too. The toilet was bolted securely to the floor, and the toilet rotated. Just a little bit, maybe an eighth of an inch at the front, but enough to break the wax seal. The first thing I did was check the nuts, and they were tight. How it happened I don't know, but that it happened I'm absolutely sure of because I can see it.
These are huge old toilets; the front edge at the floor is 16" from the flange, and the edge of the bowl itself is another five inches, so sideways pressure at the front puts a lot more torque on the bowl than in a newer toilet. There's enough of a gap in the holes around the bolts to allow that amount of rotation, and the porcelain can't stand enough pressure from the nuts to guarantee that it never moves. Maybe on a vinyl or wood floor, but not on ceramic tile. That just isn't possible, regardless of what they may have taught you in plumber school. That may be why they put the extra set of holes closer to the front on these old monsters.
Regardless of what anybody here says, I'm counting on the caulk to help keep the thing in place because I've seen with my own eyes that the two bolts aren't enough, and I can't think of anything better, and I need to caulk anyway, and nobody here is offering anything useful, just attitude.
Sometimes you guys seem more interested in playing expert than in actually helping anybody. I guess that shouldn't be surprising. I'd probably be the same way if I were you. We all like to show off.