can't get drain out for new garbage disposal

Discussion in 'Plumbing Forum, Professional & DIY Advice' started by tim123, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. tim123

    tim123 New Member

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    Hi. I'm trying to install a new garbage disposal.

    I took the old one out (Kitchenaid) but I can't get the rest of the drain out because this ring is stuck (shown in pic).
    Any tricks to getting this thing off. I don't think it's threaded.

    I also can't figure a way to retrofit the new Badger to the existing drain. The existing is too big.

    Any help appreciated.
    Thanks

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  2. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    IT is probably installed with silicone caulking. Hit the bottom of it with a hammer and drive it up out of the sink opening.
  3. tim123

    tim123 New Member

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    Thanks hj. There are notches in the ring that need to line up with the nubs on the drain part so it will pass over the nubs.
    I'm all for hammers and duck tape and gittin er done, just worried about bending the sink hole....
  4. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Your picture is out of focus, so it's hard to say, but it does look like there's a bead of silicon there. If so, it may be a real bear getting it out of there without damaging the sink. THen, to get a good seal, you have to scrape off all of the old caulk and silicon is a pain, especially when laying on your back underneath the sink! Personally, I'd leave it there and install a replacement from the ISE line (they make them for other companies, so there are multiple brands that fit exactly the same). Some steel wool on the inside of the drain from the top and it should look like new. The ISE Evolution series is very quiet and has a decent warranty.
  5. tim123

    tim123 New Member

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    Thanks Jim. Looking at the pic I can see how you guys think there is silicone. But, I'm pretty sure there is no sealant of any kind (except for rust).
  6. Smooky

    Smooky Member

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    Have you tried twisting the chrome part hanging down with a big pair of channel locks or a pipe wrench? You might have to tear it up to get it out.
  7. Hairyhosebib

    Hairyhosebib New Member

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    Looks like silicone to me too. Do you have a sawzall? A good minute is all you would need. I would not pound on it with a hammer.
  8. DonL

    DonL Jack of all trades Master of one

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    A strap wrench would help to rotate it and break it free.

    A Large Oil Filter wrench may work, If you do not have a strap wrench.


    Good Luck.
  9. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    once you loosen it with the hammer, it will rotate to line up with the notches.
  10. tim123

    tim123 New Member

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    Thanks for the replies guys.

    Gonna go get some PB Blaster and a new sawzall blade. I just don't know where to cut it where the blade will bite.
    (and, maybe a bigger hammer)

    Anyway, that is last resort I think.

    So, here's another pic that shows no silicone. DSC00015.jpg
  11. DonL

    DonL Jack of all trades Master of one

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    That is a better Picture.

    I think you may find that it unscrews.


    Good Luck.
  12. John28

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    Isn't it just a back-up ring with a rubber gasket above? If that's the case I'd pry between the ring and gasket with a stiff puddy knife or screwdriver tip to break free, then rotate once loose, might be corroded to drain?
  13. John28

    John28 Member

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    Is it off yet?
  14. tim123

    tim123 New Member

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    Couldn't get it off.
    Tried all the suggestions but got nowhere.
    finally took a sawzall to the drain hoping to cut some notches so the drain would squeeze smaller or somethin.
    nicked the sink. woops.
    I'm watching Craigslist for a new sink..

    I didn't mention that I am in the middle of a kitchen remodel, which makes this a particular pain in the ass as I will have to replace the sink again whenever I get around to the new counter (undermount).
    c'est la vie.
  15. John28

    John28 Member

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    When I originally read sawzall, I saw a new sink coming.
  16. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    That was also my first thought when he said "saw" of any kind. He took a fairly easy job and turned it into a project.
  17. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Just so more people know, the old fashioned hack saw will work in many cases. It does less damage.

    A flat blade screw driver and a hammer may have worked to spin the flat part around too. Just tap, tap, tap and around it goes.

    Also, no Tape on those sink connections. Water supplies come "with" rubber cone washers. All the tape does is get between that seal, and make the threads harder to run down and make tight.
    I know the flunky at the home center likes to sell tape, but it's almost never, ever needed.
    A big part of my job is taking everything apart, removing all the tape and putting it back together clean.

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  18. tim123

    tim123 New Member

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    Yea, tap tap tap didn't work. The pieces were fused by rust.
    Thanks for the tape info...
  19. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    tap, tap, tap, is what a shoemaker does. You needed to bang, bang, bang. So far, I have never had to cut a disposer mount loose.
  20. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    hj, most plumbers have pliers with them, which they can use to pry off the plate.
    A homeowner often does't have what I call normal tools.
    I can't think of any plumber taking more than a few seconds to pull that plate off.
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