Can I use a different tank on a Toto Promenade?

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by MtnM, Jun 15, 2014.

  1. MtnM

    MtnM New Member

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    It seems the Toto Promenade matches most of what I need to replace my 30 year old toilet (around 26" length, comfort height, gloss finish, 1.6 gallon flush).
    But the tall tank looks strange. I live in a smaller home (900 sq ft), so I am very aware of space.

    Can I use a different tank on the Promenade?

    Thanks for a terrific forum. I've been learning a great deal.

    Mike
    Colorado
  2. Wallijonn

    Wallijonn Member

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    The Drake round may be the better choice at 26+3/8",, (and try and cheat the distance from the wall by moving it as far back, via the bolt placement, as possible before thightening down the bolts,) but without ADA height, in which case you'd have to go with a 1" thick wood seat to get as much height as possible; no Sanagloss on the round, either.

    The Ultramax elognated comes in at 26+1/2", regular height, with Sanagloss.

    Easiest fix? Have the wife make a tank top slip-on cover for the Promenade, something that matches the window drapes. Yeah, I think the tank top looks hideous, too.

    Toto doesn't make a round ADA toilet. So, if it's a must then you will need to look at AS and Kohler, to name two.

    In my master bathroom I also had a shorter Briggs round toilet. The Drake is longer. But I still love it, it just looks sleek and svelt. After awhile I learned to love it. It makes getting into the shower just a little harder, but I'll take care of that if and when I re-model the shower.
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  3. MtnM

    MtnM New Member

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    Thank you for the reply.
    So, I'm guessing I can't mix and match a different tank with the Promenade?

    Just for clarity I'm fairly certain the specs on the Ultramax elongated come in at over 28", and I need the round Ultramax MS853113 to get the 26.5" length.
    I'm only picking the round versions because of the smaller length.

    Rowan question: is there a version with a side flush lever?
    I'm not a fan of the button flush.


    Thanks.

    Mike
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2014
  4. Reach4

    Reach4 Active Member

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    Check http://www.totousa.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductId=39
    Oops... not as high.

    Maybe http://www.totousa.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=1364

    http://terrylove.biz/toilets/98-toto-cst243ef-entrada-toilet.html

    Look at http://www.totousa.com/Products/Toi...pe/round/configuration/two_piece/Default.aspx for the toilets marked with the U= Universal Height symbol.

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    TOTO Entrada comes in round and elongated, Univerisal Height
    MaP 1000 grams
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  5. Wallijonn

    Wallijonn Member

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    http://terrylove.com/pdf/MS854114S MS853113S.pdf

    Yep, you're right. I now see the two different part numbers listed - 28" for the MS854114S(G) elongated and 26.5" for the MS854113S(G) round.

    You might be able to cheat the flange a little. That's not an ADA, though.

    I wish Toto would sell spacers that raised the whole toilet 1/2". Or make a toilet that was 15.0" high, instead of 14+5/8". That would allow one to use a 1/2" plastic seat or a 1" wood seat, making the height 15+1/2" or 16". Some guys feel comfort height, or ADA 16" bowl height, without a seat, may be too tall. The Cadet Pro is 15" high, http://www.americanstandard-us.com/assets/documents/amstd/spec/SpecSheet_5968.pdf but compared to the Toto it looks hideous. imo. Give me the looks of the Drake or Drake II. I don't think I can ever go back to AS or Kohler toilets. Hohler and AS ADA toilets are even taller than Toto, at 16+1/2" bowl height, without seat, so that's a big plus in Toto's favour.

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    BTW, no matter which Toto you buy you will probably want to buy the Toto toilet seat since many of the wood and plastic aftermarket seats may over hang the bowl. If it's wood you'd mark the circumference and use a band saw to make it flush and then a band saw to round the top edges. You won't be able to do that with plastic setas, though. Some AS or Kohler seats, for example, may fit flush, though. idkfs. Look at the specs again. The Toto seat adds 1" to the bowl height to end up at 15+5/8". Yeah, if it ended up exactly at 16.0" it probably would have been perfect, but...

    http://www.totousa.com/Portals/0/ProductDownloads/SS-00161_MS854114_MS853113.pdf instead of
    http://terrylove.com/pdf/MS854114S MS853113S.pdf
    Look at the diagrams closely.

    Now read the part numbers, again. It looks like there's no Sanagloss with the round. You'll have to do what I do - treat the bowl with "Invisible Shield" every six months.

    Or go with the Promenade. :>(

    I'd be willing to bet that if you do install the MS853113S that you will be tickled pink, both with the looks and function and will probably feel relieved that you didn't go with the two piece Promenade. But, as I said, if you do decide to go with the Promenade then all you need to do is to make a slip-on cover for it and it'll be out-of-mind.

    And if you compromise on height and on Sanagloss you might as well just go with the Drake CST743S with the Toto seat.

    That Entrada may be an option since it has the Drake sweeping trap way which is essential for a good flush, has an excellent water spot size (88 square inches, about the same as the Drake), is ADA at 16.125". If it doesn't flush good enough for you you should be able to swap in the G-Max parts; idkfs.

    I hope the toilet is going in the master bedroom bathroom...

    Me, personally, I wouldn't take the chance on the Caruso or the Rowan because of the trap way configuration.

    For future reference:

    It looks like Toto does make an ADA round - the Entrada:http://terrylove.com/pdf/cst243ef_spec.pdf

    http://terrylove.biz/toilets/98-toto-cst243ef-entrada-toilet.html

    If you use the Toto search tools it won't come up, though. Guess Toto needs to update their search engine software.

    Good work, Reach4.:thumbs-up:
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  6. MtnM

    MtnM New Member

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    Thanks for the great advice.
    This forum is tremendous help.

    Mike
  7. Wallijonn

    Wallijonn Member

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    Last edited: Jun 16, 2014
  8. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    TOTO CST243EF Entrada Round Front, ADA height

    I'm selling the round front Entrada for $199.99
    And the elongated version, universal height, $219.99
    MaP of 1000 grams

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    http://terrylove.biz/toilets/98-toto-cst243ef-entrada-toilet.html

    In the Seattle area though. If I could drop them in a mail box for 44 cents and they didn't break along the way I would. It's eighty pounds of fragile porcelain. Imagine dropping grandma's fine china on the front porch.

    We do local delivery in Seattle and installation. :)

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    Last edited: Jun 17, 2014
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