Bathroom subfloor damage

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  1. nickyg

    nickyg New Member

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    We are remodeling a small bathroom. I pulled all of the old flooring up and finally reached the subfloor. Around the toilet was some water damage and the plywood was slightly delaminating. The top of the subfloor was damaged and weak, but from the basement the wood looks great. I decided to put floor leveler all over the floor to help add some strength instead of replacing it. I came back after the leveler had dried and there were some cracks near the toilet in the weak floor areas. I was just planing on putting backer board and ceramic tile over the leveler, but now I am worried.... Is the floor sturdy enough??? Will the tile crack just like the leveler did??? What can I do to make sure I get a solid surface to finish the floor??

    Thanks!!
  2. Mikey

    Mikey Aspiring Old Fart, EE, computer & networking geek

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    Replace the subfloor

    Not sure what "floor leveler" you used, but typically that stuff offers no strength other than in compression. I would cut out a piece of the old subfloor big enough to span 3 joist bays, then sister the outside joists and screw in a new piece of plywood. That might require replacing the toilet flange, which should be mounted on top of whatever the finish floor is. SInce you have access from below, that shouldn't be as bad a job as it sounds.
  3. Verdeboy

    Verdeboy In the Trades

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    It would have been smarter to just replace the bad subflooring in the beginning. But if the subfloor is strong, and that's a big "if", I wouldn't worry about the crack in the floor leveler. I've seen litecrete floors that had so many cracks it would make your head spin, and the floors were strong enough. But the key once again is how strong is the sub floor. If it's weak, the tiles will probably crack eventually.
  4. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Before going to all of the trouble, you need to determine if the floor itself is strong enough for tile. At www.johnbridge.com you can access a deflection calculator to assess your floor joists. They will also help guide you through a tile install. THen, you need to make sure your subfloor is strong enough (i.e., the plywood). Depending on the spacing of the joists and the type of tile (ceramic or stone), will determine how thick the subflooring needs to be and how it is installed. Cement board (cbu) is not structural, so don't think using 1/2" is better on a floor, it isn't for any practical purposes. The cbu must be installed in a bed of mortar and screwed or nailed down properly before you tile.
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