Bathroom sink floor drain vs wall drain

Discussion in 'Plumbing Forum, Professional & DIY Advice' started by VermontRemodeler, Feb 15, 2013.

  1. VermontRemodeler

    VermontRemodeler New Member

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    Good day everyone,

    I'm working on a house (built in the 30's) that is being gut renovated, and the plumbing has just been roughed in. I'm about to get started on the bathroom and I see that the plumber has kept the sink drain on the floor. From what I understand, I can use an elongated P trap before making the turn to connect to the floor drain to avoid an S trap situation, but this setup would seem to limit vanity choice with the additional piping. The wall that the sink is being installed on is an interior wall with vent access.

    Are floor drains still often used for sinks on this type of full remodel? Isn't it generally better practice to run the drain into the wall if there are no issues preventing it?

    Thank you very much in advance, I really appreciate the advice!
  2. cacher_chick

    cacher_chick Test, Don't Guess!

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    In a sense, all drains go through the floor.

    You cannot have a code-approved sink drain going down, unless you have a vent going up.
  3. VermontRemodeler

    VermontRemodeler New Member

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    Yes all drains go through the floor in one manner or another... i'm asking specifically about one that essentially goes straight down from the sink...
  4. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    I don't think code approves of a p-trap on a sink being beneath the floor. Also, there's a maximum drop, even when installed above the floor (but not a big deal, I think it's 24" and unless the sink is very high, easily attainable). Regardless, to keep it from being an S-trap, the vent must come off of the vent arm or at the point where the waste turns down. SO, since the vent must go up, the conventional place for the trap and trap arm is just underneath the sink, which is normally easy to accommodate with a vanity.
  5. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    If the drain goes "down" beforfe its vent, it IS an "S" trap, regardless of any machinations you do to try to avoid it.
  6. VermontRemodeler

    VermontRemodeler New Member

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    Simple and straight forward HJ, thank you.
  7. Gary Swart

    Gary Swart In the Trades

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    You say the room is gutted, so putting the drain in the wall wouldn't be too difficult and certainly would meet code.
  8. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    A more important question ,might be, "What kind of plumber installs a sink drain "in the floor" these days?" Two answers come to mind. A "cheap one", or a "lazy one'.
  9. VermontRemodeler

    VermontRemodeler New Member

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    I see, confirms my suspicions. Thanks again.

    So If I don't move the drain to the wall, and it has to be vented before (or when) the waste turns down, does that mean I have to have either use an aav (if allowed) under the vanity or run a 1.5" vent through the wall to meet up with the stack?

    Thanks yet again... And do you guys have Terry Love t shirts? I'd order a few!
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2013
  10. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    Yes, and either way it would have to be done properly.
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