Bathroom remodel > Horizontal wet venting questions with drawings

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  1. Bruno Carozza

    Bruno Carozza New Member

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    Hi,

    i'm about to remodel my master bathroom and will be re-doing plumbing. The layout will be the following:
    ScreenHunter_01 Mar. 09 13.24.jpg
    Shower, sink, WC and bathtub.

    Here are drawings of what i was thinking of for the rough-in:
    ScreenHunter_02 Mar. 09 13.48.jpg
    ScreenHunter_02 Mar. 09 13.25.jpg

    *** btw, i know the wye fittings for shower and lavatory are 3x3x3in while they should not. I could not find/draw.

    The 3 inches drain cannot be moved and sits below a window. For that reason, there's a 3inches horizontal wet vent that goes left until it meets a thick wall then straight up through the roof. This is the actual drainage setup except we don't have a separate shower and fixtures are moved around a little.

    So the plan is:
    Shower: horizontal connection to 3 in wet vent through Wye, vented by the 3 in vent.
    Sink: horizontal connection to 3 in wet vent through Wye, vented with the use of an AAV. The reason is that there's an exterior wall behind and i live in a cold climate where it can drop to -30 in winter. I think a vent in an exterior wall is not a good idea.
    WC: horizontal connection to 3 in wet vent through Wye.
    All of the above connected to 3 in drain through a double sanitary tee. The shower is about 7 feet from the 3in stack.

    The bathub is on the other side of the 3in stack and would be connected in the 3in sanitary tee with a 1 1/2 to 3in adaptor. It would have a proper vent going 45degrees up until it reaches a wall then up in the attic. The vent would then go horizontal until it meets the 3in vent going through the roof.

    I would like to know if this design make sense, what could i do to improve or am i completly wrong?:confused:

    More specific questions:
    1. is the 3in vent going straight up is too far (8 feet) from the stack to act as part of a wet vent?
    2. Can i connect the WC the way it is in the drawing?
    3. Is the double sanitary tee the proper fitting to allow the wet vented section AND the bathub to drain in the 3in stack? Can i cap the double sanitary tee as there is no pipe going up?
    3. is it ok if i use an AAV for the lavatory or i should make some kind of plumbing loop like this:
    FH03OCT_ISLANSI_01.jpg

    Thanks

    Father or a 3rd baby (2 weeks old)... the bathroom needs help. :rolleyes:

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  2. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    If the stack to the far left has waste from the floor above then nothing is right. You can't wet vent downstream of a vertical waste stack
  3. Bruno Carozza

    Bruno Carozza New Member

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    The stack going up go straight across the roof. This is a second floor bathroom.
  4. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    OK, it's hard to make out but..... the lav will need it's own vent because if you drop to the floor like that you will have an S trap. Remember, anytime waste goes down, vent goes up. The shower may or may not be too far from the stack depending on your code but IPC says 6' for 2" and the UPC says 5' IIRC. The double san tee is Ok and is really OK if you use the top of it for a clean out otherwise I would rather see a double elbow there. Provided the vent next to the tub runs as you have drawn it, it will serve the tub and toilet but it's way too far from the shower.
  5. Bruno Carozza

    Bruno Carozza New Member

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    OK for the lav, will figure out a way to vent.
    I measured the distance from the shower wye to the stack and it is exacly 6 foot so i guess i'm "OK".

    For the remaining question, are the fittings i used to drain the toilet ok? 90 elbow to a wye then the sanitary tee... one after the other.

    Thansk a bunch!
  6. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    The shower drain starts at the trap weir not the wye.
  7. jimbo

    jimbo Plumber

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    I don't know about aav in Canada. I can't believe any inspector would allow the island vent at the lav. Such techniques are reserved for situations where no proper vent is possible. Being hard to do or inconvenient does NOT qualify as "not possible".
  8. Bruno Carozza

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    Would it be ok to run a vent pipe in the exterior wall considering winter gets pretty cold around here?!

    What other options would i have?

    Thanks
  9. Tom Sawyer

    Tom Sawyer In the Trades

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    Yep, exterior wall for a vent is fine. Most kitchen sinks have an exterior vent
  10. Bruno Carozza

    Bruno Carozza New Member

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    Ok, thanks!

    Do someone know about floor access panels for plumbing? I'd put one over the stack double sanitary tee for servicing. I can't find anything suitable at home depot.

    Thanks again! The old bathroom destruction starts in 3 weeks.
  11. jimbo

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    Having proper cleanouts installed is one thing. Access through the floor to drain pipe does not make any sense. Water and drain installations should be considered "life-of-the-house" and planning for access probably causes more problems than it would solve.
  12. hj

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    That sanitary cross would not be acceptable in most jurisdictions, and a cleanout at the second floor level is usually cosmetic, but not practical. The vent for the shower is the one going up the wall, so unless the shower is over 5' wide it is acceptable, although, some areas would have a problem with it being a horizontal vent.
  13. Bruno Carozza

    Bruno Carozza New Member

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    Ok, i guess i'll forget that idea. It really is my first big reno project and the plumbing part scares me a little. I want to DIY for the satisfaction of it. The answers i got on the post are very helpful.
  14. Bruno Carozza

    Bruno Carozza New Member

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    what should i use in place of the sanitary cross? A 3in double elbow? I can only find a 2in double elbow on the HD website.

    Thanks
  15. Tom Sawyer

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    Yes and you will probably only find one at a plumbing supply house, not the big box stores
  16. Bruno Carozza

    Bruno Carozza New Member

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    Hi everybody and thanks for the help (that i got 9 months ago). I though i'd drop by and post a few pics of that bathroom remodel project i started and completed in april 2012. It's not perfect but given i'm a computer guy... i'm happy with the outcome.

    The beast
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    First plumbing project ever.... used lot of copper.
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    How the the WC draining end up.
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    Worst part of the project.. tiling.
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    I'd post more pictures but can't go over 5.

    Without the help of such forums i'd never been able to pull that DIY project.

    Thanks again!
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