Basin Wrench Alternative?

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  1. andreseng

    andreseng New Member

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    I am trying to find an alternative for a basin wrench. I am attempting to install a widespread Moen Caldwell CA84440SRN faucet MOEN LINK to a Kohler pedestal sink KOHLER LINK.

    The Moen uses a valve that secures to the top with a "C Clip" and a nut on the underside. I am having one hell of a time getting the nuts tight. The basin wrench is too large for the area. To aggravate the situation, the threads on the valve are about 1 inch in diameter on the top portion making the nut quite a bit larger and there is a nozzle for the mixer hose that also comes off each valve.

    Any insight, tips, hints, tricks, alternative tools would be greatly appreciated.
  2. SHR

    SHR Member

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    Pedestal sink repairs are a pain. Uninstall the sink, install the faucet and re-install the sink. Lots of work but welcome to pedestal sink repair! I always charge extra for work on pedestal sink repair. Sometimes clients question the quote but now you too know why the repair cost is more expensive.
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    andreseng New Member

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    I guess I failed to mention that this is a new installation and the sink is not mounted to the wall and the clearance is still an issue...
  4. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    Ridgid makes a red plastic "wrench" that takes the place of a basin wrench for many applications, but I do not know if one of its options is large enough for that nut.
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  6. andreseng

    andreseng New Member

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    Basin Buddy and Rigid plastic are too small for these nuts. I believe the thread is about 1 inch...it eventually hits a connection for the mixer hose than transforms to normal 1/2 inch for the supply hook up...
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    So you are trying to tighten nut F, and a crow's foot won't fit? huge.PNG
    Could you pre-install the nuts before inserting into the holes and do the tightening from above?

    I think that may be what they are suggesting when they say
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2014
  8. andreseng

    andreseng New Member

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    Actually I have not tried a crows foot. I was trying to use a basin wrench. I guess it's possible a crows foot might make it. And I did pre-install the nuts as per the instructions. Due to the clip (not a nut) on top, there is no way to tighten from above...
  9. SHR

    SHR Member

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    Your faucet is designed to tighten from the top. Rimove the clips you mention and re-install them on the top of the sink after you get the faucet height correct. Install the nuts for underneath the sink prior to inserting the faucet body in to the sink holes. The position of these underneath nuts is a trial and error deal. Set both hot and cold side nuts at the same position, insert the faucet body in to sink holes and check if the height of the stems coming out the top of the sink is correct, allowing you to install the top trim. If not, remove and adjust height, try again until the height is correct. You will not need to use a basin wrench for this faucet.
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  10. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    it is a poor practice to install a faucet and use the trim to secure the valves in position. Once the clips are installed the nut MUST be tightened to secure the valves in place. Sometimes you can "spin" the valves in the clips to tighten the nuts, but it takes some trial and error to get them aligned properly doing it that way. One of the "adapters" in the Ridgid tool is like the "basin buddy", but it has others also, plus it can be used without the adapters, depending on what you are tightening.
  11. andreseng

    andreseng New Member

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    Check out item G in the illustration above. There are nozzles extending from the valve for the mixer hose. I think this would make the basin buddy impossible to get up to the top where the nut is located. Remember too that the valve is 1 inch at the top. Do they even make a basin buddy that large? This also prevents you from spinning. I wish I had bought a different style. But I am stuck. All the other fixtures are of this same Moen style...

    As far as tightening from above, I can't see how this would possibly work. The c clips are already snug up against item D in the illustration above and yet they still move. It has to be done from below.

    I am very appreciative of everyone's thoughts. Please don't read any of my responses as criticism. They are not.

    Please keep your thoughts, hints, tips etc. coming.

    Many thanks.
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    How much wiggle is there still in item G? If very little, maybe it will all be good when the top hardware is in place.
  13. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    IF there is room to for the spout connections to rotate under the sink the valves WILL rotate and tighten against item "D". But if they do not tighten at the correct orientation, you will have to loosen them and reposition them before trying again.
  14. andreseng

    andreseng New Member

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    Found these at Sears. This is probably the only way given the combination of this faucet and sink. Thanks to everyone for their ideas. Much appreciated.
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    Now on to the real fun. Hooking up the tail piece to the waste...
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2014
  15. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    YOU should probably have purchased the ones with the 90 degree jaws, if long nose pliers will work
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    andreseng New Member

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    These worked perfectly. Thank you.
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