Basic wax-ring question

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by brad_j, May 4, 2009.

  1. brad_j

    brad_j New Member

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    Having been to Home Depot last night, there are a plethora of wax rings:

    - your basic standard wax ring.
    - the oversized wax ring.
    - the reinforced wax ring with some plastic actually in the wax.
    - the waxless wax ring.
    - the extended wax ring.


    The guy at home depot said to get the oversized reinforced wax ring because it is designed for flanges that are installed properly AND for flanges that are a bit low (1/4" to 1").

    Any thoughts?
  2. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    On a properly installed closet flange I use a regular wax ring.

    Infact I rarely use anything else, seeing as in the case of an improperly installed closet flange I usually make corrective measures to the flange...

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  3. SewerRatz

    SewerRatz Illinois Licensed Plumber

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    Take all that wax and toss it and get your hands on a 4 lB tub of Sta put plumbers putty.
  4. plumbingskool

    plumbingskool Retired Tradesman

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    As REDWOOD says above, The normal is fine
  5. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Avoid those with the funnel...they tend to cause more problems than they create. If you don't get things perfectly aligned, you can end up with that funnel collapsing and giving you all sorts of grief. If the flange is low, best to raise it or use flange extenders, but a lot of people have success with a thicker ring.
  6. kingsotall

    kingsotall Plunger/TurdPuncher

    I can't seem to find the thicker rings without the horn lately.
  7. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    horn

    After you use a utility knife on the funnel, NONE of them have a funnel.
  8. Tanker

    Tanker New Member

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    I've been using the one with the funnel for years thinking that it's the better one. What kind of problems does the funnel cause? So after adding a ceramic tile floor just a regular or thick wax ring without the funnel is the best bet?
  9. cwhyu2

    cwhyu2 Consultant

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    The funnel causes a restriction,use the thick wax or as Mr Ratz said sta put
    putty,used them both and they work fine,but with sta put you have form
    the ring your self.
  10. Gary Swart

    Gary Swart In the Trades

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    I think you must understand that when we say the wax rings with funnels cause problems, it should not be take that every use will create a problem. The real point is, you don't get any benefit from one, but you do get a potential for a problem. We sometimes tend to overstate things.
  11. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    rings

    If you read the box, the ones with the fiber "reinforcment" usually state that they are for use with "wall hung" toilets.
  12. Tanker

    Tanker New Member

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    I don't see the thick rings without the funnel in local stores by me, can it be pulled or cut out? Maybe a supply house would carry them.
  13. kingsotall

    kingsotall Plunger/TurdPuncher

    And I quote,
  14. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    Depending on the diameter of the drain pipe and how well you center the toilet on the flange, you could cause the funnel to compress or distort and actually close up. If you install the toilet properly with the wax, and your flange is where it should be, it will last until you decide to replace the toilet.
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