AS Cadet PRO - better or worse?

Discussion in 'Toilet Forum discussions' started by Hillel, Jul 23, 2012.

  1. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Your neighbor has good taste.
  2. Cameron Fields

    Cameron Fields Implementer/Inventor

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    Well maybe I've been single minded, do you happened to know how well reverse flush toilets work?
    and if they are easy to install I need to install one in a basement up north in Carolina.
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  3. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Yuck!

    So you poop on a shelf, and then get to smell it.
    Wonderful!

    You don't think pooping on dry porcelain is going to be a problem?

    Big type just like Master Plumber Mark would have done. Dooh!
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  4. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    A very marginal American Standard Evolution Cadet, Marginal at best is what the homeowner said.
    Not at bad as her Glacier Bay toilet which she had tried to return.
  5. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    American Standard Cadet 3 elongated bowl with a built in lean.
    This came from a home center.
    I've tried to install bowls that customers have picked up on their own. I remember on A/S Antiquity that was so warped on bottom that it would have taken 1/2" shims at the back.
    I've seen Cadet 3's at a home center that was a little like a rocking horse, it was high centered in the middle.

    When I go out to install, I don't like surprises when I pull them from the box. Like the round bowl in the elongated box I pulled out one time.
    Crazy.
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  6. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    One apartment I had in Germany used that type of toilet...I did not like it at all. And, better close the cover before you flush, or you'll spray the room. Plus, you better have a big water line as it's similar to a flushometer - it needs a big line (at least on the ones I've seen).
  7. wptski

    wptski Retired Machine Repairman

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    In all fairness, you should also show a level on the floor as well. My Cadet 3 from HD wasn't that far off but I had to shim because of the floor. The exit trapway surface was higher than the outside edge of the bowl, so it would rock on its center when on the floor.
  8. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    The person that posted that picture had put the level on the floor. The floor was level.

    But again, I do think that the Pro versions of the Cadet "are" better then the homeowner versions.
  9. wjcandee

    wjcandee Wise One

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    Huh. Personal experience with the original Drake, the Carlyle (like an Ultramax II with a skirt), and the Aquia.

    After the stupid Consumer Reports article that accused a Toto of not disposing of the liquid fully, I have actually tested all three of these models with richly-colored fluid. It all disappears and leaves no color in the refilled bowl. All are properly-installed, however, and that may make a difference.
  10. Terry

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    The Ultramax II is one of my biggest sellers. It's an easy repeat sale. They buy one, they buy again.
    The video that CR did was of a plugged bowl. It wasn't an install problem, it was sabotage. At least it would be if they knew what they were doing with toilets in the first place.

    I like this video that TOTO did better

    [video=youtube;Xn9_zctMge0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn9_zctMge0[/video]
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  11. Cameron Fields

    Cameron Fields Implementer/Inventor

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    No that's forward flush I reverse flush or up flush toilets that use the reverse impeller function. like this
    sorry for the confusion not those other german toilets yuck
    uflush.jpg
  12. Cameron Fields

    Cameron Fields Implementer/Inventor

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    DEFEAT Toto has won there is evidence clearly "Lord help me when my toilet design goes into production"
  13. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    Back outlet bowls historically have had issues flushing.
    Most still on the market in the US are pressure assist bowls. When I've asked manufacturers about this, they noted that it can take a lot to flush that direction. Most wall hung bowls now use a Flushometer in commercial use. Gerber has come out with a 3" Flushvalve Maxwell for their rear outlet floor mount and their wall hung. American Standard, Gerber and Kohler use pressure assist on their rear outlet bowls.

    Gerberit does make a wall hung set up. I used some like that in Amsterdam and India.
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    Cameron Fields Implementer/Inventor

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    oh ok thanks.
  15. kshorty

    kshorty New Member

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    That's good to know. Thanks.
  16. kshorty

    kshorty New Member

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    By the way -- if you see this, gusherb94 -- I saw your video online of the Cadet Pro flush. It seems like it took a longish time for it to refill. Would that be because of the rigging set-up, or is that how it is? Thanks for your help.
  17. GoKohlerGo

    GoKohlerGo Brand New Plumber

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    Plugged bowl? I don't think so. If it was plugged, how would the water go down? Why would you think it was sabotage? They are Consumer Reports. Not Conscammer Reports.
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  18. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    When there's something caught in the trapway, it is fairly common for liquids to leave, but solids to butt up and into that obstruction. Something like a pen, pencil, crayon, small toy, whatever can do that. The siphon jet on a Toto moves things quite fast...any time you see it delayed, there's something wrong. In 12-years, I've not needed a plunger...the old ones, a couple of times a month. To me, anyway, that says something. ANd, it's doing this on less than half the water of the old ones.
  19. GoKohlerGo

    GoKohlerGo Brand New Plumber

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    Can you tell me why they would purposely put something in the trapway?
  20. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    At nineteen years of age, you haven't seen much yet.
    It's very common for kids to put things down a toilet and watch it go. Wait till you get older and have kids of your own.
    Plenty of things drop into bowls. I once found a ball that the family dog had dropped in. It was found stuck at the bottom of the bowl outlet. Nothing solid was going to get past that. After the flush, it would float up a bit and slowly let liquid out.
    Cell phones, bars of soap, pens, small cars, action figures,
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