John Stoneman
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I purchased the first Champion 4 toilets manufactured by American Standard and These "12"-rough" toilets are not even close. They are 10" at best. I spoke to A.S. and the rep told me that that is a 12" rough toilet. Unless my Stanley 25' tape measure has been redesigned to a shorter lenght or I am seeing an "illusion", the back of the tank is 10" from center of horn to back of tank. A.S. says it's designed that way. If it's designed that way call it a 10" rough toilet not a 12. Unless you want your toilet in the middle of the room do not but a Champion 4.