advice for drilling for 3-inch waste

Discussion in 'Remodel Forum & Blog' started by bingo, Jan 18, 2006.

  1. bingo

    bingo New Member

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    Hello

    It didn't take me long to discover that I like self-feeding bits for drilling through studs and plates for my vent and drain lines. I have a medium duty 1/2" Dewalt right angle drill (DW120K, I couldn't justify buying a Hawg).

    What advice can you all offer me for drilling the hole to accomodate the 3-inch ABS (main drain and vent) that I am putting into my remodel? Hole saws seem to be too shallow to go through double plates...what does anybody recomend?

    Also, I'm using a 2 9/16ths for the 2-inch ABS and a 2 1/8th for the 1.5"

    What is correct hole size for the 3 inch?
    What about for for 4 inch?

    Thanks in advance,

    Bingo
  2. Bob NH

    Bob NH In the Trades

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    3" and 4" Schedule 40 pipe ODs are 3.500 and 4.500 respectively. Add at least 1/16" for the hole saw.

    You may have trouble holding the drill for a self feeding bit in the size you are looking at for 3 and 4" pipe.

    The solution for the double plates is usually to clear the hole saw after each plate. If the wood gets stuck and stays in the hole instead of coming out with the hole saw, you may need to apply a chisel or put a screw in the piece to pull it out.

    I have found that a Roto-Zip with a 1/4" straight carbide bit does a great job where you may not have exactly the right size, or where you may not have clearance for drill access. Just handle it like a big Dremel tool, but with both hands. And hang on tight. I had one come out of my hands once and it fell and tore my pants where it came within a couple of inches of affecting my social life.
  3. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    You can drill for 3 and 4 inch pipes with a self feed bit, but don't feel bad if you just cut the plates instead with a sawzall or other type of tool.

    It's very hard to drill a large hole like a 3-9/16 or 4-9/16

    Even though I drill them quite well, most of the time it makes more sense to pull out the sawzall for them.
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2006
  4. finnegan

    finnegan New Member

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    Go with the sawzall. You are going to have to use a nail plate either way. No one will see it after the wall goes up. For your vent roof penetrations, go with the hole saw. As suggested, if using the hole saw through plates, clear as you go. If you are doing work in old walls and encounter true 2x4s, the hole saw will not even go through one plate.
  5. bingo

    bingo New Member

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    Thanks! Yeah, these are 1916 "old school" 2x4s.

    So if I'm following what you are saying: I should cut out a 3 9/16ths section of the top plate (and hope that the siding and the sheetrock holds the exterior wall up!).

    This is definately going to be inspected...is a building inspector going to have any problems with that method from a structural standpoint? Do I need any *special* nailing plate for covering?

    Ahh. The secrets of the plumbers. I'm a carpenter and my top lip quivers like Elvis when I think of the damage a plumber with a Sawzall can do :D

    steve
  6. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    drill as deep as you can, remove, stick a screwdriver in the saw kerf, crack off the wood stub, repeat...
  7. Terry

    Terry Administrator Staff Member

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    If you're putting a 3" pipe in a 2x4 wall, there isn't anything left anyway.

    What the framing will ask for, is metal strapping between the two cut walls.
  8. finnegan

    finnegan New Member

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    If you want to use a hole saw, Jad's method is best to get throught he thicker framing members. However, that leaves you no wiggle room. If you just cut through the plates, you can add an inch or so to the diameter and give yourself a little margin for error. Simpson makes some straps that will serve as protection from nails and to tie the framing together. Youa re not the first carpenter to fear plumbers and their sawzalls and hole saws. It can get ugly.
  9. mixdenny

    mixdenny New Member

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    I just went through the same thing with my remodel. You can get 3 5/8" or 3 9/16" self feed bits on ****, but even there they go for $60-$80, so I gave up waiting for a good buy. I ended up with a Blu-Mol 4" hole saw from Home Depot for $17 ( I already had the arbor). I really like the Blu-Mol because they cut 1 7/8" deep and can easily go through 2" lumber.

    I also picked up the Harbor Freight version of the Hole hawg http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44790
    and it is fantastic. It is a nearly exact copy of the Milwaukee and I got it on a great sale for $59. I have really been using it for boring holes for the wiring and plumbing in the studs.

    Dennis
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