ABS transition cement?

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  1. MikeVila

    MikeVila New Member

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    When using the transition cement for use of ABS to PVC just use a cleaner and then the cement on both? Don't use any purple primer correct? I believe ABS you can't use the purple primer? So just clean thoroughly and cement?
  2. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    You use it the same as a regular cement/glue. No primer on ABS. Primer on PVC. Read the can.
  3. nhmaster

    nhmaster Master Plumber

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    IPC prohibits transition cement for abs to pvc connections
  4. MikeVila

    MikeVila New Member

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    TOO many codes lol. It's not being inspected so is there any problem with using it? Not gonna fall apart is it? lol. I never knew plumbing was such a PITA. They make transition cement but it's not allowed by code? They make S traps and there in my lavatory sinks and kitchen sinks but there not allowed.LOL This stuff is driving me nuts!!!:eek:
  5. 99k

    99k Radon Contractor and Water Treatment

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    The transition is called a fernco. You cannot glue abs to pvc ... not compatible
  6. jadnashua

    jadnashua Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx

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    The safest connection would be a no-hub connector; Fernco makes them, amoung others. Lets not get into the Kleenex, tissue trademark name issues...plus, depending on where you live, you might not find a specific brand.
  7. Gary Swart

    Gary Swart In the Trades

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    Codes are not written just to make it difficult for people, they are written for reasons. Just because it will not be inspected doesn't change the validity of the code. ABS and PVC are glued together regardless of the commonly used term. They are solvent welded, but because they are made for totally different materials, the solvent for one won't react with the other. I have heard there is a product that is supposed to work on both, but I'm not sure of how widely this is used and whether it is code approved or not. This is why they make no hub connectors. Do not use a neoprene sleeve, as these do not prevent pipe movement. You can make the transition, just do it right.
  8. sjsmithjr

    sjsmithjr Geologist

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    Unless Oatey (a popular brand of transition cement) has changed their position recently, they will tell you that their transition cement is not to be used for joinery within your house. The intended purpose of the cement is for the connection where the city sewer connects to the DWV from your house.
  9. Redwood

    Redwood Master Plumber

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    abs/pvc transition cement, brown label
    green, medium body, fast set, For joining ABS to PVC pipe, and, fittings up to 6" diameter, non pressure only. Schedules 40 and 80.
    Meets ASTM D3138
    MSDS #65
    UPC and NSF approved.

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    ABS to PVC Transition Green Cement
    Medium-bodied green colored cement for use in joining ABS to PVC in non-pressure transition joints.
    All schedules up to 6" diameter pipe and fittings.
    Recommended application temperature 40°F to 100°F.
    Meets ASTM D-3138.
    UPC and NSF approved

    They do have a disclaimer on the submittal sheet that some codes do not allow its use.
    http://www.oatey.com/apps/catalog/instance_assets/assets/Submittal_Sheet/ABS%20to%20PVC%20Transition%20Green.pdf
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2008
  10. sjsmithjr

    sjsmithjr Geologist

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    Thanks for the clarification and correction, Redwood. A national code would be nice, don't you think?
  11. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    You cannot glue abs to pvc ... not compatible

    That is what I thought, also, until I saw the gas utility gluing their HIGH PRESSURE gas PVC and ABS lines together with it and they said they ALWAYS used it without any failures.
  12. MikeVila

    MikeVila New Member

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    Yes I have the green can. So I can use it? Or do I need to try to hunt down ABS pipe.
  13. Gary Swart

    Gary Swart In the Trades

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    I think the simplest and safest thing to do is to use the no-hub transition connector. If you are having difficulty finding ABS in your area, then the transition to PVC would be very easy. And, as far as some new product that may or may not be approved, use the the method that is tried and true and is known to be code approved.
  14. 99k

    99k Radon Contractor and Water Treatment

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    Thanks Redwood ... this is news to me.
  15. kingsotall

    kingsotall Plunger/TurdPuncher

    We use it all the time... :eek:
  16. MikeVila

    MikeVila New Member

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    You use it with no problems? Any tips? I know it says not to get the purple primer on the ABS so I assume just use the cleaner on both (no purple primer on the sch 40) and then the transition cement.
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