4 port 3 way diverter ROHL

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  1. spfrancis

    spfrancis New Member

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    Pretty much a newbie question. I had our bathroom supply company deliver me a diverter with 4 ports, and 3 way. It has 3 outputs, and 1 input. I only have 2 showers heads for this bathroom. I'm trying to decide if I need to send this back, or use this new configuration. The lady who ordered this, was saying that we could set it up to have our 3 optoins : option 1: regular shower head 1, option 2: rainforest shower head 2, option 3: both shower heads. I'm not sure that I really want that third optoin, but I'm also worried that If I change the diverter now, then I would have to change other supporting pieces to have it all work together. I'm trying to determine how difficult it will be for my plumber to develop this solution? My simple thought is that option 3 can just a "Y" splitter on it ,and then have those 2 segments just "T" into both of the shower heads? Is there something that I"m missing than that? Is there any other reason I wouldn't want to do this? I guess the other optoin is to just cap the 3rd "output", and just have it go nowhere. I know that will drive my wife crazy?

    Thoughts?
  2. eurob

    eurob In the trades

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    I have option 3 and I am very happy with it . Run it through the diverter and put a on/off valve on the flexible of the shower head.
  3. Vegas_sparky

    Vegas_sparky Eat kitty

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    What brand is the divertor? What size are the inlet/outlet ports?

    I couldn't cap off an outlet and create a situation where there's a dead spot or 2 on the selector. That would drive us nuts too.
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  4. spfrancis

    spfrancis New Member

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    The diverter is a Rohl R10620BO. I agree that it will drive us crazy to have a setting on the lever that does nothing. The inlet and 3 outlets are all 1/2 inch.
    Here is a picture. 41FraO3xdYL.jpg

    So to me at this point my 2 choices are to either push for the company to get the right diverter designed for only 2 shower heads. Or my second choise would be to make setting 3 on the diverter send water to both shower heads in parrallel. I was trying to see if there is a right way to configure this. If you experts think that I'm wasting time to do that, for a fix, and it is better to get a 2 setting diverter, then I will give up on this thought.
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  5. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple I love these ACO Shower Drains - Best in Class

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    What a perfect system.

    Option A

    Option B

    or

    Option A&B

    This is what you want. Don't mess with it or over think it. Done and done.
  6. spfrancis

    spfrancis New Member

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    So my only question regarding doing the 2 shower heads in parrallel. I have drawn a rough picture of how I would envision that. Is that as simple as it would need to be to have this setup?
    Mycrudedocument.jpg
  7. nukeman

    nukeman Nuclear Engineer

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    I would swap it out with the correct diverter. What you show will not work (unless check valves are added). That setup that you drew will use both showerheads no matter which position you put it in (so the diverter would be useless).

    Here what one of the places that sells this diverter says (see bold):

    Rough valve only, no finish Solid brass construction Ceramic disc cartridge Must use with volume control trim ½”M NPT inlet 3 x ½”M NPT outlets Flow is dedicated. May not be split into two outlets at once. CALGreen compliant 10 GPM Outlets may be capped if not used Min. depth is 2 3/16” from the center of the outlet Max. depth is 4 11/16” from the center of the outlet Extension solution included in the rough package Rough can be used with multiple product lines: - Perrin & Rowe® - Italian Country Bath - Palladian - Vincent - Michael Berman - Modern Lombardia
  8. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    Using that drawing EVERY outlet would function using ANY option. Connect the "unneeded" outlet to one of the others. DO NOT cap it off to make a dead position.
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    spfrancis New Member

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    Yeah, okay that makes sense that this would not work. I'm going to push to have the correct one ordered and delivered. Thanks for all the help on this forum in working through this issue.
  10. spfrancis

    spfrancis New Member

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    So after a discussion with the plumbing store...they are telling me that I have to use a 3 way diverter, and that there are no 2 way diverters(aside from some special ones for some California application) This sounds highl suspect to me. I think the problem I'm ginog to face is that we have the trim kit for the diverter show above, so now if I look at some other diverter, this will impact the trimkit for the control. So my 2 optoins if I didn't want to go through that ordeal is to cap the 3 option, or plumb it for option 3 to be having both on. Can someone explain in words, or a drawing what it would take to support option 3(both heads going at the same time?) The drawing the ROHL document doesn't really show the 3 ports being used.

    Any help would be appreciated.
  11. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple I love these ACO Shower Drains - Best in Class

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    HJ could he install two check valves or back flow valves between the T's and the Divertor Valve? Would that let him pull off the look and not have to change out fixtures?

    Maybe he should just buy another fixture.

    Hand Held Option A
    Rain Head Option B
    Shower Head (wall mount) Option C.

    That would be easy and cheap I think.....
  12. hj

    hj Moderator & Master Plumber Staff Member

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    Just connect #3 port to either of the other two with a tee. No big deal. You are making this much more complicated than it has to be.
  13. spfrancis

    spfrancis New Member

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    Yeah, orginally I kind of wanted a 3rd device, but my wife wasn't that big on having the hand held. Maybe we should rethink that.
  14. Vegas_sparky

    Vegas_sparky Eat kitty

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    A body spray jet or two would work too.
  15. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple I love these ACO Shower Drains - Best in Class

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    She does not want a handheld? I'm confused. These handhelds have massage settings. I think they are the number one reason why most women want a new shower renovation to start with. So unfair..... LOL

    This guy like it too!

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    But I think she likes it more!!!

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  16. spfrancis

    spfrancis New Member

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    You know, I think 2 body sprays would be much better. So we just need to match the finish of the existing stuff, and we would be good to go. I just hope that we have enough pressure to push water with any reasonable force to the body...
  17. spfrancis

    spfrancis New Member

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    The guy does seem pretty happy. Not as happy as the lady. She may be operating a motor vehicle in VA, where you have to be hands free.
  18. johnfrwhipple

    johnfrwhipple I love these ACO Shower Drains - Best in Class

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    LOL - I think the photo has been cropped. I think she is kneeling over the hand held in that photo... :O
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