3D mock-up of system install

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  1. cyruspinkney

    cyruspinkney New Member

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    Hello all, it's me again.

    I know some of you are probably tired of hearing about my intentions instead of actions, but I am just about to do the install. I have designed my hopeful setup in a 3D modeling software to help me better visualize how it will all be put together and assist with assembly. I have uploaded a video of an overview of the setup (seen here) and added a few of the screen caps to this post, also see this link for better resolution. Due to tight quarters, I had to make the most of what I had and hopefully you friendly and knowledgeable folks can point out a few easier or more efficient way to do this. For clarity, the copper/pink is all 1" copper line, while the blue is either 3/4 or 1/2". Since Burnham supplies the boiler loop pump, I am really only waiting on the sizing of the pump for the HWH and the system pump, but they're very close in physical sizing that I could mock them up in my model. Here's a link to the higher resolution mockups and plans <here>

    Refresher:
    replacing oil-fired combi boiler, Cast iron recessed rads on main living floor, cast iron bases in basement, currently all on one zone, combined single loop. *Installing new Burnham Alpine 080 w/50gal indirect, currently setup for single zone + indirect tank, eventually probably 2 zones. Roughly 72K heat loss calc, with poor shell criteria (slider windows, poor insulation in attic, etc.), hopeful to fix that over time. Northeastern NJ, see floor plans also attached.​

    I have followed Burnham's "Near Boiler Piping - Heating Plus Indirect Water Heater" schematic from the Alpine manual, and I think I have all of their specified components included in my mockup. In a previous thread, I had used an example that an HVAC specialist and shown me, but using @BadgerBoilerMN 's criticism of overpumping, I decided to go with a system circulator with zone valves as opposed to pumps for each zone (especially since I currently will only have a single zone). I've shown a few Webstone flanges and other Webstone valves since I'm tight on space; while they're not price friendly, they do save me on valuable space.

    As always, your comments and criticisms are welcome.

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    cyruspinkney New Member

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    I've also added a few more shots to the album, hoping to order material tomorrow or the day after.
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    Reach4 Well-Known Member

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    Trying, but what do I know?
    1. Is the stub pointed to by the orange arrow for future something?
    2. I think you could simplify with without the 45 degree pipes, but maybe you have a good reason for the angle.

    Nice drawings.
    I am totally unfamiliar with such heating systems. huge4.jpg
  4. cyruspinkney

    cyruspinkney New Member

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    Thanks for the response.

    1. The orange arrow points at a stub for a future zone
    2. The 45s are needed because the indirect tank is located beneath stairs, so I need to turn down from the ceiling to it, it's more effective if I approach at a 45 opposed to a few 90s.
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    cyruspinkney New Member

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    do I need a separate expansion tank for my IDHW

    I am wondering if I need a separate expansion tank for my indirect hot water heater in addition to the expansion tank I have shown on my system? Either that, or do I upsize the expansion tank to satisfy both the heating system and the hot water?
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    cyruspinkney New Member

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    revised and updated

    For those following at home, I have used @R Mannino's fine work and copied essentially his layout, including switching from an Burnham Alpine to a Viessmann Vitodens 100.

    A video of it can be seen here: http://youtu.be/zBf6-09JTiA
    and still shots can be seen here: http://goo.gl/6k59AL

    Thank you for the pointers again Ron, you've been a tremendous help and I hope you don't mind me letting others know. Thanks to anyone else who might want to chime it.
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    cyruspinkney New Member

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    final mock-up

    For the very few of you following, here is my final mock-up. --- http://youtu.be/cH-x5UsCuFA
    For clarity, I have not included the indirect tank in the video. Also, the orange/red piping is 1-1/4" copper, the copper/pink is 1" copper, and the blue is 1/2" copper.

    The boiler and all of it's components are to be delivered this week and I plan on the full install this weekend. I will post some photos once I get her up and running...god willing.
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    Material arrived today, very exciting. Will update progress over the weekend.
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    cyruspinkney New Member

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    Success!!!!

    We have heat!!!!

    Thank you all for your generous knowledge and sharing your opinions throughout this process. I realize I probably overthought a lot of this, but I'm happy that in the end it is up and running.

    I'll share some photos once I get some time (and clean up some of the non-professional looking elements).
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