150 human animal hybrids grown in UK labs:

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...d-humans-produced-secretively-past-years.html

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    The hybrids have been produced secretively over the past three years by researchers looking into possible cures for a wide range of diseases.

    The revelation comes just a day after a committee of scientists warned of a nightmare ‘Planet of the Apes’ scenario in which work on human-animal creations goes too far.

    Last night a campaigner against the excesses of medical research said he was disgusted that scientists were ‘dabbling in the grotesque’.

    Figures seen by the Daily Mail show that 155 ‘admixed’ embryos, containing both human and animal genetic material, have been created since the introduction of the 2008 Human Fertilisation Embryology Act.

    This legalised the creation of a variety of hybrids, including an animal egg fertilised by a human sperm; ‘cybrids’, in which a human nucleus is implanted into an animal cell; and ‘chimeras’, in which human cells are mixed with animal embryos.


    Scientists say the techniques can be used to develop embryonic stem cells which can be used to treat a range of incurable illnesses.

    Three labs in the UK – at King’s College London, Newcastle University and Warwick University – were granted licences to carry out the research after the Act came into force.

    All have now stopped creating hybrid embryos due to a lack of funding, but scientists believe that there will be more such work in the future.

    The figure was revealed to crossbench peer Lord Alton following a Parliamentary question.

    Last night he said: ‘I argued in Parliament against the creation of human- animal hybrids as a matter of principle. None of the scientists who appeared before us could give us any justification in terms of treatment.

    ‘Ethically it can never be justifiable – it discredits us as a country. It is dabbling in the grotesque.

    ‘At every stage the justification from scientists has been: if only you allow us to do this, we will find cures for every illness known to mankind. This is emotional blackmail.

    ‘Of the 80 treatments and cures which have come about from stem cells, all have come from adult stem cells – not embryonic ones.
    ‘On moral and ethical grounds this fails; and on scientific and medical ones too.’

    Josephine Quintavalle, of pro-life group Comment on Reproductive Ethics, said: ‘I am aghast that this is going on and we didn’t know anything about it.

    ‘Why have they kept this a secret? If they are proud of what they are doing, why do we need to ask Parliamentary questions for this to come to light?

    ‘The problem with many scientists is that they want to do things because they want to experiment. That is not a good enough rationale.’

    Test centre: Newcastle University was another site where human animal hybrid testing was being undertaken
    Earlier this week, a group of leading scientists warned about ‘Planet of the Apes’ experiments. They called for new rules to prevent lab animals being given human attributes, for example by injecting human stem cells into the brains of primates.

    But the lead author of their report, Professor Robin Lovell-Badge, from the Medical Research Council’ s National Institute for Medical Research, said the scientists were not concerned about human-animal hybrid embryos because by law these have to be destroyed within 14 days.

    He said: ‘The reason for doing these experiments is to understand more about early human development and come up with ways of curing serious diseases, and as a scientist I feel there is a moral imperative to pursue this research.

    ‘As long as we have sufficient controls – as we do in this country – we should be proud of the research.’

    However, he called for stricter controls on another type of embryo research, in which animal embryos are implanted with a small amount of human genetic material.

    Human-animal hybrids are also created in other countries, many of which have little or no regulation.

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    I sure hope they don't let a fly in! :) and, I wonder, if you would get to pick what kind of animal DNA you want to pass on to your offspring. Personally, I am not a chimp person, I might lean toward something sleek and fast and sexy, like a cheetah.

    With the DNA being passed on, are we going to invite a new strain of virus and new unseen before disease in humans? In trying to get rid of the old we might bring about a better and more improved incurable disease don't you think? Is this truly within the law of nature I wonder... or, are we entering into the realm of the dark, the unknown and the ending of human nature as we know it.
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    Maybe this explains Ian.

    I would use a smiley face but, Ian says Americans over use them :(


    ah, what the heck, :) :) :)
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    Okay, here goes Jim, this is from the Huffington Post:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/04/ohio-legislature-bans-hum_n_600969.html

    Ohio Legislature Bans Human-Animal Hybrids
    First Posted: 06- 4-10 02:24 PM | Updated: 08- 4-10 05:12 AM


    I don't think any of us will ever forget that time that President George W. Bush stood in front of Congress at the 2006 State of the Union Address and urged legislators to take the necessary steps to stop the rise of the human-animal hybrids. I'm pretty sure I was watching on the teevee, and receiving many frenzied instant-messages from Ana Marie Cox, which read, in part, "WTF JUST HAPPENED AT THE STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS?"

    Actually, those memories may be just as apocryphal as the mythical beasts -- mer-men and centaurs -- about which the President was so terribly worried. But concern over scientifically-induced lycanthropy has never gone away entirely.

    Last month, Arizona passed a law that would require all were-beasts to show their papers to Joe Arpaio on demand, or something. And now, a bunch of Ohio legislators who went to see the movie Splice have gone and freaked right the heck out, and have passed their own law, banning human-animal hybridization.

    This is a victory for something called the Ohio Christian Alliance:

    Ohio Christian Alliance President Chris Long made the following statement, "For the past seven years, OCA has been working tirelessly with members of the Ohio Legislature to ban embryonic stem cell research, human cloning, and in recent years, animal-human hybrid. Science has advanced to the point where DNA from animals and humans can be intermixed in scientific laboratory experimentation. This is simply outrageous! Animal-human hybrid research is currently being conducted in England, which many in the international medical community now consider to be a rogue medical state. It is unknown how many U.S. laboratories are currently conducting similar research.
    That comes courtesy of Ronald Bailey, at Reason, who reports that the bill "would punish such 'rogue' research by throwing perpetrators into jail for one year or imposing a fine of $250,000 or both."

    Bailey has previously written about this matter, and details how lots of "valuable research" would be undercut by human-animal hybrid hysteria: here, and here. His latest post is titled "Ohio Senate Votes to Ban Minotaurs," which means this Ohio law is just more bad news for Sally Quinn.

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    What do you think? Which animal traits would you like to see your future generations have?
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    Any group with the term "....Christian Alliance" in their name....just as wacko as the British tabloids I mentioned. Let's say I am not losing sleep over the thought of meeting JAKE at the local lake!
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    So you don't think it is real? Some of my rellies would convince you, lol. I don't need Jake.

    Although, I must admit, I could poke through that store and not be bored.
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    I do like to keep the pot stirred!
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    I can't see a problem. Mixing human bits with animal bits in the search for curing new diseases can't be a bad thing.


    Is this a case of America's values getting in the way of its freedom again?

    What are you? Free? God fearing? Moral?

    You can't be all three!
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    Part Cheetah with big teeth.

    Now, seriously, are they doing it at Kings College?

    Jim, you haven't met a pot-stirrer until, you had met my dad and some would say, I am the splitting image of him. I like pot stirrers they keep things from burning. We just simmer things...
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