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Thanks all, after reading one persons previous on here with about the same situation I had already decided it is more than we can do, so I will give a few calls around and see about getting someone out here. I appreciate the responses, would call you all if you weren't so far away. thanks again

actually i haven't cut the tops off any drains, the shower was a cheap plastic prefab and when we took it up there was an 2" pipe sticking up about an inch below floor level.I thought there ought to be a trap , but there was no trap on the prefab either. you can stick a stick into it and goes...

am trying to remodel a bath on an upper level, about 3' above lower level in older house. Problem is I see no signs of venting, or traps. the drains are in poured concrete slab. there is no signs of stacks on roof or through the walls. lower part has 2 baths both which seem to be correct, both...