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my footing will have #4 rebar stubed up 4' every 24" which i will bend and tie to the rebar matt befor i pour:)

thanks for your reply, well 40 years ago it would get down to 20 deg easy in the winter, now days it rarley gets to 32 deg. as far as the soil, what is not bedrock is hard clay:)

well thanks for all your input!:rolleyes:

I am sorry about not going into detail on my plans! running late any way i am building a 20'x20' shop in the back yard, not attatched to the house. i will form it up and pour a 12"x12" footing! and then pour a 4" slab on top of that. the toilet drain will be flush with the slab, 12" oc from...

I am building a shop in the back yard, there used to be a travel trailer back ther with a septic tank hookup, it is cast iron sticking out of the ground @ about 22 deg, for the 4" hose to stick in. now my floor is going to be concrete, i think i can dig it out a couple of feet and cut it...