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thanks for all the responses; much appreciated. i will look into those drop ears - i'm a bit leary now of the PEX, after running into a guy at the home depot who had the shower rise issue, and the Delta help desk told him to go back to copper. tried to get some info from Moen, but couldn't...

i have heard that using PEX pipe between the tub/shower valve and the tub spout may be a bad idea, as it may cause water to go out the shower when unwanted. not sure why, unless the elbows for PEX being on the inside cause a restriction. also do newer valves account for this in any way ...