Experts wanted!
I have been in this house without any problems for 8 years.
Best I can tell, this is a 20 yr. old shallow well w/Goulds 1HP pump (J10) that also
has a '92 date code on it. I'm in NJ. Pump is mainly used for sprinkler system. Pumptrol
is set for 30/50. There is only a 1 gal Well-XTROL bladder tank, which isn't leaking.
Started everything up in March, and was working (mostly) fine. Then died about a month
later - no water, but pump was running. I was concerned that the well ran dry, due to the prolonged drought, but
that was apparently not the problem, as it's now pumping like a madman, without problems (see
EXCEPT below).
Took it apart, and the wet end had broken vanes on diffuser, and impeller looked partially crushed, for lack of
a better description, and it generally didn't look so good, so I bought a Goulds rebuild kit and replaced everything,
following their rebuild directions. Also replaced start cap and switch while I had it out of the crawl space. I also
replaced the control with another Pumptrol, except I got the one with the low-pressure shut off, thinking if the well
**did** run dry, I might save the pump. New check valve too. Everything works fine now, and it's pumping so much that I had to increase the size of my sprinkler head nozzles to keep the pump running continuously while on sprinklers, and that all works OK too.
Can now turn on any zone, at any time, and all's well. Can even cycle through all 6 zones, at any time, and that's
OK too. EXCEPT!
Here's the EXCEPT.
If **everything** is shut off, including my 4 outside spigots, within a couple of hours(???) or so, the Pumptrol
will kick off on low pressure lock-out, and I have to go down in my spider/bug ridden dirt crawlspace to hold the start
handle on the pump to restart it. As I do this, the pressure starts at zero, but quickly builds up to 50 within 30 seconds
or so and all is well......for awhile.
The Weird part: I have found that if I leave one of the outside hoses running, just trickling a bit, this Pumptrol lock-out never
happens!! With the trickle running, I can hear the pump run for 30 seconds or so, maybe once every 20 minutes, but everything stays as it should normally run, apparently forever. Sprinklers run fine, outside spigots are fine, plenty of pressure cycling (30 to 50) everything is fine. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood!
If I turn off the outside spigot, at some unknown point in time,within hours I think, it dies again.
Another weird clue: For the past couple of years, I've had to periodically cycle the "dedicated" circuit breaker
to the pump, to get it to start up. In previous years, I didn't have the low pressure lock-out of the new Pumptrol
switch, so it would just start up, build pressure, and continue running like normal. But now, with the the low-pressure
lockout, I'm back down to the crawlspace, with the spiders and snakes, to re-start it when it does the lockout.
Clue: There is a local electrical shut off switch in the crawl space.
I've tried to measure the start-up surge voltage, but don't have a good enough meter.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks
Prof. Gumby
I have been in this house without any problems for 8 years.
Best I can tell, this is a 20 yr. old shallow well w/Goulds 1HP pump (J10) that also
has a '92 date code on it. I'm in NJ. Pump is mainly used for sprinkler system. Pumptrol
is set for 30/50. There is only a 1 gal Well-XTROL bladder tank, which isn't leaking.
Started everything up in March, and was working (mostly) fine. Then died about a month
later - no water, but pump was running. I was concerned that the well ran dry, due to the prolonged drought, but
that was apparently not the problem, as it's now pumping like a madman, without problems (see
EXCEPT below).
Took it apart, and the wet end had broken vanes on diffuser, and impeller looked partially crushed, for lack of
a better description, and it generally didn't look so good, so I bought a Goulds rebuild kit and replaced everything,
following their rebuild directions. Also replaced start cap and switch while I had it out of the crawl space. I also
replaced the control with another Pumptrol, except I got the one with the low-pressure shut off, thinking if the well
**did** run dry, I might save the pump. New check valve too. Everything works fine now, and it's pumping so much that I had to increase the size of my sprinkler head nozzles to keep the pump running continuously while on sprinklers, and that all works OK too.
Can now turn on any zone, at any time, and all's well. Can even cycle through all 6 zones, at any time, and that's
OK too. EXCEPT!
Here's the EXCEPT.
If **everything** is shut off, including my 4 outside spigots, within a couple of hours(???) or so, the Pumptrol
will kick off on low pressure lock-out, and I have to go down in my spider/bug ridden dirt crawlspace to hold the start
handle on the pump to restart it. As I do this, the pressure starts at zero, but quickly builds up to 50 within 30 seconds
or so and all is well......for awhile.
The Weird part: I have found that if I leave one of the outside hoses running, just trickling a bit, this Pumptrol lock-out never
happens!! With the trickle running, I can hear the pump run for 30 seconds or so, maybe once every 20 minutes, but everything stays as it should normally run, apparently forever. Sprinklers run fine, outside spigots are fine, plenty of pressure cycling (30 to 50) everything is fine. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood!
If I turn off the outside spigot, at some unknown point in time,within hours I think, it dies again.
Another weird clue: For the past couple of years, I've had to periodically cycle the "dedicated" circuit breaker
to the pump, to get it to start up. In previous years, I didn't have the low pressure lock-out of the new Pumptrol
switch, so it would just start up, build pressure, and continue running like normal. But now, with the the low-pressure
lockout, I'm back down to the crawlspace, with the spiders and snakes, to re-start it when it does the lockout.
Clue: There is a local electrical shut off switch in the crawl space.
I've tried to measure the start-up surge voltage, but don't have a good enough meter.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks
Prof. Gumby